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  •  Probably (0+ / 0-)

    Though I believe in this situation, a 6 shot revolver or a 6 shot 30-30 lever action deer rifle could have done the same.  In other situations where more adults are around to stop him, it may not have happened.  Once he was inside of that classroom full of 5-6 year olds, it didn't matter what kind of gun he had.  

    "I'm a progressive man and I like progressive people" Peter Tosh

    by Texas Lefty on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 10:49:26 AM PST

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    •  That's debatable (0+ / 0-)

      I blog about my daughter with autism at her website

      by coquiero on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 10:55:41 AM PST

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    •  You have convinced me (0+ / 0-)

      That the only way to prevent Newtown from happening, at regular, or irregular intervals, is to begin the generations long process of getting these tools out of out society.

      I'll take the chance that I will be killed by a burglar before I'll take the chance of more kids being killed.

      Reality ? What has that to do with Opera ?

      by greatferm on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 10:59:21 AM PST

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      •  I would agree (0+ / 0-)

        0 guns in society will stop almost all mass murderers.

        "I'm a progressive man and I like progressive people" Peter Tosh

        by Texas Lefty on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 11:17:41 AM PST

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        •  No, It Wouldn't (2+ / 0-)
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          Before 9/11 the worst mass murder ever in NYC was done with a can of gasoline.

          Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

          by The Baculum King on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 12:12:41 PM PST

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          •  It's not a worthwhile conversation to have (2+ / 0-)
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            as it's all speculation.

            I see what you did there.

            by GoGoGoEverton on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 12:28:13 PM PST

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            •  A Person Determined to Kill Will Kill (1+ / 0-)
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              If your mindset becomes fixated on the idea that your life and death will somehow acquire meaning ONLY if you take a bunch of innocents with you a mere inconvenience will not stop you.

              Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

              by The Baculum King on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 12:31:32 PM PST

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              •  While this is true (0+ / 0-)

                it's not deniable, imo, that a high-capacity weapon capable of being fired at a high-rate with little-to-no training makes it easier...and is a more accessible means to the end.

                I see what you did there.

                by GoGoGoEverton on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 12:33:47 PM PST

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                •  I Didn't Realize Degree of Difficulty (1+ / 0-)
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                  Was the objective.

                  Making it more difficult to shoot your husband for cheating might result in fewer perforated adulterers, but those deranged enough to kill children they don't know won't be deterred by inconvenience.

                  Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

                  by The Baculum King on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 12:37:39 PM PST

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                  •  There are 300million+ guns in the US. (1+ / 0-)
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                    If we banned them all tomorrow, shootings would still happen and probably close to as frequently as they did the day before they were banned. I think where we need to find common ground is risk mitigation, and I think that involves keeping weapons capable of mass murder and violence out of the hands of people who need little training to use them effectively, and then getting to the root sources of why they're choosing to do so in the first place.

                    Which is why the NRA/Republicans are so LOL when they talk about that, because WTF have they ever done to support public mental health programs?

                    I see what you did there.

                    by GoGoGoEverton on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 12:41:37 PM PST

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                    •  Catching Snakes By the Tail Gets You Bit (1+ / 0-)
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                      It is simply not possible to eliminate all means of mass killing, human bodies are just too fragile. The approach, to be effective, will have to come from the other end; figuring out what makes the very few willing to do these things and how to identify them before it happens.

                      Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

                      by The Baculum King on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 12:47:30 PM PST

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                      •  Right! yet not sans exception, The Baculum King: (1+ / 0-)
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                        I twice witnessed my mother grabbing a snake by the tail and popping it, bullwhip-fashion, very quickly. Both times she thereby killed the snake, without getting bitten herself. Once, it was to stop me stepping on the snake, and  the other time it was to stop a snake raiding a setting hen. It is not a feat I ever wanted to duplicate, because it involves grabbing the snake.

                        Any one cure we try isn't going to be enough, alone; we've got to create an approach that both diagnoses and remedies the causes, and one that prevents the effects, of whatever it is driving the individuals like the Virginia Tech shooter, the Clackamas mall shooter, the Aurora theatre shooter, or the Newtown school shooter.

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                        by BlackSheep1 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 02:32:50 PM PST

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                •  There goes the neighborhood. (0+ / 0-)

                  Conversation over.  Once the sarcasm starts, it's all over.

                  Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

                  by Smoh on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 03:59:42 PM PST

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          •  I'm not talking about all mass murders (0+ / 0-)

            It was more in response to school mass murders. 0 guns would probably stop almost all mass murder in schools because almost all mass murders in schools are done with firearms.  0 guns isn't going to happen anytime soon and mass murders in general can and still will happen with other weapons.  No doubt about that.  

            "I'm a progressive man and I like progressive people" Peter Tosh

            by Texas Lefty on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 07:34:48 PM PST

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        •  Hate of others... (0+ / 0-)

          ..., and the desire to do them harm, didn't appear on this planet with the invention of gun powder.

          ego sum ergo ego eram

          by glb3 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 12:34:48 PM PST

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        •  Almost all (0+ / 0-)

          Except those committed with kerosene (David Koresh), fertilizer (Oklahoma city), smallpox (Indian wars), and have we already forgotten box cutters?

          It is a genuine good to force the bad guys to change tactics and to strew obstacles in their paths, but we need to have realistic expectations about the results.

    •  I'll quibble, a little, Texas Lefty (1+ / 0-)
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      once he was inside that building ... he might have, possibly, been stopped. But not without having to confront a trained adult, or better still, two ... a resource not available to the heroic teachers and administrators who did give their lives to protect their students.

      It would've taken a lot more reloading to do the damage he did with a six-shot anything; and if you're old enough to remember "The Rifleman" you're old enough to remember how fast a practiced handler can empty the magazine on a lever action rifle -- I make no claims for accuracy at such a rate of fire, never having trained with a  weapon of that kind.

      But the Air Force turned me from somebody who'd never touched such a firearm to somebody they deemed proficient with an M-16 in just over a week's time (counting extra practice on the weekends), back in the '70s.

      I suspect a .223 revolver can be built -- have you ever heard of a rechambering? -- that could carry eight or 10 rounds.

      People aren't like deer. Deer are either fallen, or in the next county after the second round fires.

      People who keep coming after the first round goes off represent the entire reasoning behind things like the M-1, the M-14, the M-16/M-4, and automatic weapons starting with the Gatlin gun and working forward through the Ma Deuce and the M-60 to today's battlefield weapons.

      LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

      by BlackSheep1 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 02:17:48 PM PST

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