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  •  They apparently don't know (8+ / 0-)
    Oberender received three years of intensive treatment for his mental illness as a juvenile, but in late 1998 was ordered committed as "mentally ill and dangerous" to the St. Peter state hospital. Mental health professionals wrote in court findings that they believed there was "a substantial likelihood that Oberender will engage in acts capable of inflicting serious physical harm to another." There are apparently no public records of when he was released from St. Peter. In a 2003 interview with the Star Tribune, Oberender said he spent a year in a halfway house after his release and believed he was turning his life around thanks to "all kinds of treatment."
    •  Does Mr. Oberender hear voices, (4+ / 0-)

      suffer hallucinations, see a world that is substantially different from ordinary perceptions ????

      Does he suffer waking nightmares?

      Does he lose track of normal activites, such as personal hygiene ?

      Any three of the five major indicators for paranoid schizophrenia ?

      With a violent background, who THE HELL let him out?

      This is not a curable disease. It is organic, not environmental. Lifelong.

      "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

      by bontemps2012 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 02:25:47 PM PST

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      •  And all too typically, he could present as (3+ / 0-)
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        a really nice guy, just fine. See the co-workers' comment at the end of the Minn Trib article diarist linked to. He was working on setting Phillip up with a date... (The unpassed VAW act is coming to mind.)

        The whole scenario is classic for the problems and coordination of information sharing that needs to be done in a manner that still protects some rights.

        The juvenile offender laws, psych and basic HIPPA are ways the system is full of holes, before the interference from NRA exploited/inspired legislators and citizens. If the background check isn't done in 7 days, you are cleared regardless?  People with a potentially lethal medical diagnosis can wait a month or two to get an appointment with a specialist or for a test.

        Add the usual GOP focus on getting the fat out of government budgets, it further interferes with developing the level of laws, data collection, analysis and communication.  

        "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

        by Ginny in CO on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 06:35:57 PM PST

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        •  Obama is looking to a "time of peace." (2+ / 0-)
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          Betcha that frees up resources. Some of it for addressing our insane level of violence.

          Some of it for renewable, no-import-no-balance-of-payment-problems energy.

          Some of it for the deficit.

          Cut DoD and Intel to $400-billion and a whole lot changes.

          "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

          by bontemps2012 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 04:07:49 AM PST

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          •  From your keyboard... (1+ / 0-)
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            Between climate change and that, I am hoping to be well enough to participate some in Obama for Action.

            BTW, did you see the new military plan proposed by Ray Odierno (sp? rank?). He's way up there - think he was the high brass they brought back to deal with NOLA. The proposal is to align different Army units to specific commands, like Africa. The training then includes fairly intense information on the countries, cultures, races, religions, history, etc in the region. When a deployment becomes specific, along with increased military exercises in landscape/urban scenarios of the area; they get another immersion into more specific culture, language, etc. they need to know. Like, thumbs up sign in this culture is an obscene gesture.

            I'm not sure if this kind of training would have stopped the group in Iraq that went out on urban patrols in tanks that had "Jesus killed Mohammad" - in Arabic- on them. I'm willing to hope.

            "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

            by Ginny in CO on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 06:03:29 PM PST

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            •  Anything smaller is better. (1+ / 0-)
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              We can't afford DoD as it is now.

              Getting language skills has been on the table at DoD since 1967. Stays on the table except for SpecOps.

              Problem, too, is that we need the production and engineering man-hours to build windmills.

              Sending $700-billion a year overseas for oil is unsustainable.

              Our BOP runs $230BB export to $180BB import a month. Bounces around a lot, always negative.

              We cut oil to $350BB a year and suddenly the BOP is not a problem.

              "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

              by bontemps2012 on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 06:00:05 AM PST

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              •  We need definitely need much smaller + smarter. (0+ / 0-)

                Have you seen House of War: The Pentagon and the Disastrous Rise of American Power, by James Caroll?  Along with the 2003 Morris documentary Fog of War, Kinzer's Overthrow! and  Chandrasekaran's Imperial Life In The Emerald City - Inside Iraq's Green Zone, among the great exposures of the stupidity behind almost all of our military and intel activities.

                The proposal includes or dovetails with the concept that the troops would more frequently be working with in country forces to be improving their skills to neutralize extremists.

                I've been on the decrease military spending wagon for decades. The stupid part became very evident in Viet Nam, and has since been exposed in almost all the other engagements, not to mention preparations.

                "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

                by Ginny in CO on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 01:09:26 PM PST

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