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  •  Depends on whether you think that (3+ / 0-)
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    outlawing alcohol would reduce sales.  Experience says no.  On the other hand, putting a minimum price on alchol in supermarkets seems to have reduced drunkenness in Scotland, so maybe.

    I don't know whether banning assault rifles in the US would reduce the market in assault rifles or not - it's not easy to get the genie back in the bottle.

    On the other hand it's a lot easier for an amateur to make illegal hooch than it is to make an illegal assault rifle.

    But you are now addressing a real argument, not a straw one :)

    •  Mexico has outlawed Firearms, yet, judging by... (3+ / 0-)
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      .the 50K deaths during the last six years, there has been no decline in sales.  NarcoTraffickers and bodyguards for the oligarchy have no problem getting firearms.

      The working and middle-class, often victims of gun violence?  Law-abiding for the most part, they don't have access to guns.

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      by PatriciaVa on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 02:16:32 PM PST

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      •  Do you think that law enforcement in the US (0+ / 0-)

        is likely to be any better than in Mexico?

        •  Well, in Chicago, it was a poor retiree who... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...successfully fought Chicago's gun ban all the way to SCOTUS.

          Law enforcement was doing such a poor job that he argued he needed a firearm to defend his home.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/...

          In McDonald v. City of Chicago, __U.S.__, 130 S.Ct. 3020, 177 L.Ed.2nd 894 (2010), Chicago resident Otis McDonald, a 76 year old (in 2010) retired maintenance engineer, had lived in the Morgan Park neighborhood since buying a house there in 1971.[7] McDonald decried the decline of his neighborhood, describing it as being taken over by gangs and drug dealers. His lawn was regularly littered with refuse and his home and garage had been broken into a combined five times, with the most recent robbery committed by a man McDonald recognized from his own neighborhood.[7] An experienced hunter, McDonald legally owned shotguns, but believed them too unwieldy in the event of a robbery, and wanted to purchase a handgun for personal home defense. Due to Chicago's requirement that all firearms in the city be registered, yet refusing all handgun registrations after 1982 when a citywide handgun ban was passed, he was unable to legally own a handgun. As a result, in 2008, he joined three other Chicago residents in filing a lawsuit which became McDonald v. Chicago.[7]

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          by PatriciaVa on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 02:45:27 PM PST

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      •  They have a steady supply of illegal guns that (7+ / 0-)

        started their happy lives as legal guns in AZ or other states.  I have read that over 80% of the firearms in Mexico's drug wars come from the US.  So no, Mexico's ban doesn't work because there is a porous border with plenty of supply.

        In any case, no one (or very few) are advocating making guns illegal only to have sensible national regulations like:

        1. FULL background check on EVERY sale/transfer
        2. Licensing
        3. Registration

        I have not had anyone explain to me how anyone's Second Amendment rights would be violated by those (other than slippery slope argument that those will inevitable end up in confiscation)

        Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

        by DefendOurConstitution on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 02:32:22 PM PST

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        •  Mexico's border is porous b/c the RightWing Pols.. (0+ / 0-)

          .in Mexico want it to be porous.  Drug and arms trafficking is very lucrative for all of them.

          Some background.

          Mexican Governor got Millions in Drug Cash, DEA Says

          http://latino.foxnews.com/...

          U.S. drug agents have evidence that cartel leaders paid millions to a Mexican border state governor and other figures in Mexico's former ruling party in exchange for political influence, according to a court filing in Texas.

          Confidential informants told Drug Enforcement Administration investigators that leaders of the Zetas and Gulf cartels made payments to Institutional Revolutionary Party members including Tomas Yarrington, who served as governor of Tamaulipas state in 1999-2004, according to the complaint filed in U.S. District Court in San Antonio, Texas.

          The affidavit says the DEA also has obtained ledgers documenting millions of dollars in payments to Yarrington's representatives.

          Yarrington declined to comment when contacted by The Associated Press on Friday.

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          by PatriciaVa on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 02:47:47 PM PST

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