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  •  To claim the drone program a failure (3+ / 0-)
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    Deep Texan, srfRantz, Quicklund

    Beyond comprehension renders you unworthy of being treated seriously.

    •  trending to same conclusion, different reason (2+ / 0-)
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      TheDuckManCometh, elginblt

      I agree the drone and other anti-terrorism measures are pretty much failures in that they create more terrorists.

      I was NOT discussing the efficacy of the drone program or any other military decisions.

      I was raising the question of whether or not the president, any president, has direct control over these decisions any more.

      Even Naomi Wolf, as fierce a critic of Obama's policies as anyone, suggested as much in a recent interview, twice, so it wasn't just a slip. sorry don't have the link, couple weeks ago. google it.

      but it was along the lines of, after the usual strong criticism of the drone strikes, guantanamo, middle east policy, NDAA, or something in that area, she added, 'but I'm not sure the president has any real power in this area any more."

      I was frankly stunned. I'd long suspected this. And had several aquaintances, one a former black op, suggest the same.

      and where did I mention Bush responsible for drones?

      and did not mean personal affront to you with the "hard to parse" was referring to my own thick-headedness, and suggesting I may have misunderstood you. and that's why I fed back what I got, as you good commnications skills I'd been taught recommend. I could have worded it better to take responsibility on myself.

      my point restated:

      I'm glad Obama said what he did. Its a great step IMHO.

      no man is completely worthless, he can always be used as a bad example.

      by srfRantz on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 07:21:55 AM PST

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    •  WE have different ideas about democracy, then. (0+ / 0-)

      And about reality.

    •  This is just one facet of the many-faceted (0+ / 0-)

      disaster that is the Obama drone program:

      When it comes to “kill lists,” Obama’s weakness has been to act as though the clarity of his judgment is the same thing as a clear standard; perhaps the thought of losing gave him a sense that this wasn’t the case. But what was most vivid for those in the present Administration, in their vision of President Romney haphazardly dispatching drones? Their distrust of Obama’s successor, or embarrassment about what they might be leaving, unattended to, on the Oval Office desk?
      Just one facet.

    •  And this really highlights the "beyond (0+ / 0-)


      The carve-out would allow the CIA to continue pounding al-Qaeda and Taliban targets for a year or more before the agency is forced to comply with more stringent rules spelled out in a classified document... Among the subjects covered are the process for adding names to kill lists, the legal principles that govern when U.S. citizens can be targeted overseas and the sequence of approvals required when the CIA or U.S. military conducts drone strikes outside war zones.
      But go ahead, Mr. Serious, tell us what the vacuum in your skull is telling you about how great the program is. Because it sure the fuck ain't facts up there.

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