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  •  Reporting war crimes lands you in jail. (13+ / 0-)

    Committing war crimes doesn't even endanger your pension.

    Praising war crimes wins you a Golden Globe.

    Now clap.

    We just want civility! Moderation!! No Ad Hom! Oh, you're a dirty lying racist asshole and probably a troll....but that's different, because what I said is true!!!

    by JesseCW on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 11:46:59 PM PST

    •  at the very least it places you in a very (2+ / 0-)
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      uncomfortable position of having to report buddies or immediate superiors. Look at what happened with Hugh Thompson, Jr when he reported the My Lai massacre or what happened to the 3 grunts who tried to protect villagers.

      While your complaint works its way up the chain of command, you continue to work with the very guys you reported.  Very easy to be caught in a crossfire or taken out by an errant grenade.  Patience is short with those who are not "with the program".  It is amazing that anyone reports atrocities as the brass tends to view it as a part of the "cost of doing business" and have little sympathy for those who are "not team players".  There is a culture in the military which even encourages circumstances which lead to "friendly fire" directed at civilians, particularly in asymmetrical situations where every villager or civilian is a potential enemy.

      My father told me a guy who shot a German off a bridge going through Germany.  Problem was it was about a week after Germany surrendered and the German was a policeman directing refugees.  His punishment was  five years in Leavenworth and a dishonorable discharge with loss of benefits but many felt the punishment was too harsh.  Seems the more things change, the more they are the same  

    •  No, (1+ / 0-)
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      and authorizing and ordering torture gets you space in newspapers and time on tv and radio, and gets your opinion being given gravitas, and being made even more wealthy than we can imagine, just ask Cheney and Rumsfeld and Bush and Rice and Yoo, and the rest.

                      To be clear,
                      Standing for justice and accountability,
                                     For Dan,
                                     Heather

      Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is inflicting it on whom.

      by Chacounne on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 07:31:11 AM PST

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    •  Indeed. I'm all for putting Bradley (1+ / 0-)
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      Manning on Mt. Rushmore. Kentucky's Sgt. York was one helluva hero, back in WW I, but his contribution to civilization was slight compared with what Manning has done.

      "Manning Up" is a big deal.

      Also, if you want to see war reporting done right then you have to go back to Hirsch writing up My Lai or plow through "Aftermath" by Nir Rosen.

      "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

      by bontemps2012 on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 04:36:10 AM PST

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    •  Who do you think has more on the line here? (0+ / 0-)

      Mark Boal, or the seasoned career operatives at the CIA? Who would you bet might win at pretty much any board game you can imagine?  And if it was about shaping a narrative over several months, with virtually unlimited resources, on your own turf, it's no contest...

      "There is power in speaking up. We know the face of unfettered gun proliferation. Now it’s time to see more faces of regulation and restraint." - Charles Blow

      by Beastly Fool on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 10:19:33 AM PST

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