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  •  Actually, that guy in New Zealand is right. (3+ / 0-)
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    orange dog, wheeldog, DrTerwilliker

    I'm not advocating the eradication of cats but they are directly responsible for the decline and extinction of many species of songbirds here in the US. Cats are not native to the US and the local wildlife hasn't adapted to them yet. Irresponsible pet parents let their cats out to cut down on the amount of cat litter they have to change and to "kill mice". Doing so exposes their beloved little felines to dangers such as cars, coyotes and abusive humans.

    While my Beagles are covered by columns of rules in regulations, the word cat doesn't even appear in many local ordinances. My Beagles must be kept under control at all times while local cats can wander around killing birds at my feeder and defecating in my mulch with impunity. Cats should never be allowed to roam free. Treating them as a sort of semi-wild creature is doing them and the wildlife they prey upon a disservice.

    •  Cats kill millions of songbirds in the US annually (1+ / 0-)
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      SparkyGump

      Google 'cats killing birds' and you get estimates from pretty reliable organizations that cats, both feral and domestics allowed to roam, kill between 100 and 300 million birds a year.

      When atlatls are outlawed, only outlaws will have atlatls.

      by wheeldog on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 12:38:26 PM PST

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      •  It is called NATURE (0+ / 0-)

        every species has a predator to keep the numbers from swelling beyond that which the environment can support.

        Some of those predators have been sadly wiped out by man. As such we now need hunting to keep the deer population in line.

        So while you may see one less bird at your brid-feeder, it is worth it to keep the population in check.

        My cats do a service to the community killing voles, mice, chipmunks, squirrels, and YES BIRDS TOO!

        Never underestimate stupid. Stupid is how reTHUGlicans win!

        by Mannie on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 01:43:01 PM PST

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        •  Many songbirds, especially migratory (1+ / 0-)
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          birds, are endangered. I don't think your cats are performing a 'community service' by killing them, do you?

          And your cat is not a natural predator. Housecats are not native to North America; no more native than kudzu or Burmese pythons in the Everglades.

          And how is it a 'community service' when your cats poop in my vegetable garden?

          When atlatls are outlawed, only outlaws will have atlatls.

          by wheeldog on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 02:11:15 PM PST

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    •  I once toyed with the idea (1+ / 0-)
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      of designing/building custom outdoor "cat condos" for the well-to-do cat owner; it would be an enclosed area with trees, plants and such, but open to the air (think of enclosures used for primates in many zoos, but on a smaller scale). So those cat owners who do want to let their cats outside could place them in that environment -- there'd be bugs and such for the cats to stalk and pounce on, and plenty of fresh air and places to climb, but it would be enclosed so both the cats and the local wildlife would be safe. Maybe smaller versions for the budget-minded pootie aficionado or those with smaller yards.

      There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

      by Cali Scribe on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 12:42:29 PM PST

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      •  You can buy outdoor enclosures for cats (1+ / 0-)
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        in a number of styles, from simple mesh tents and tubes to modular, habitrail-ish sprawling domains.

        And if you don't want to keep your cat inside for the sake of local wildlife, consider doing it for the sake of your cat.  Outdoor cats tend to have much, much shorter lives than indoor cats.  A cat raised indoors will not pine away for the outdoor life, and can have as much fun killing toys as killing tiny game.

    •  I can't believe all the support for this NZ guy (0+ / 0-)

      especially on DK that has awesome cat diaries.

      I know I don't hit rec enough on them, I get captivated by the cute pictures :)

      I couldn't imagine telling my 11yr old cats that they needed a leash and couldn't have their freedom anymore.

      Never underestimate stupid. Stupid is how reTHUGlicans win!

      by Mannie on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 01:40:45 PM PST

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