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  •  It's really just the lies that bother me (7+ / 0-)

    There were a zillion of them over the course of how many years?  You have to have something seriously deficient in your brain (as in not completely human) to keep it up for so long.  It seriously boggles my mind.  I'm sure some psychologist would have a good word to describe it.  

    •  Not just the lies, but the righteous indignation (6+ / 0-)

      It's one thing to keep something secret, but to be able to make yourself visibly angry over something you know to be true?

      To believe that markets determine value is to believe that milk comes from plastic bottles. Bromley (1985)

      by sneakers563 on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 08:43:14 AM PST

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    •  And the forcing other people to lie. (2+ / 0-)
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      I've been pretty much avoiding the coverage of what he did (then again, I also didn't bother paying attention to him before, so...), but the one thing that really sunk into me was that there was at least one other person on the racing team who he had either badgered or tricked into doping 'so you're doing it too, now you can't talk'.

      There were other people's careers he screwed up not just by beating people he shouldn't have and getting endorsements that should have gone elsewhere, but by forcing them into positions where now THEIR athletic records are just as questionable as his are.

      One thing to knowingly do something that could screw up your life. Another to take others with you for the ride who aren't in a position to spring back half as well as you can if/when it all falls apart.

      Prayers and best wishes to those in Japan.

      by Cassandra Waites on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 11:32:48 AM PST

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      •  I wouldn't know much about this except.. (0+ / 0-)

        That the guy in the office next to mine is a pretty serious cyclist that talks entirely too much about this.  He would actually take exception to your comment that he was "beating people he shouldn't have" in that he claims every professional cyclist out there dopes.  Okay, maybe not everyone but nearly all of them so he would claim it actually was a level playing field.  Your comment that he badgered "at least one other person" might be indicative that most were already doping so that Lance didn't have to badger too many people.  Apparently there was some Spanish doctor that was helping many cycling teams (including US I believe) to dope.

        This information from my fellow employee (which I am assuming is largely correct) is why the lying is actually the only thing that bothers me although there might be a few clean cyclists in there too.  

        •  I agree many were probably doping... (0+ / 0-)

          In that way his wins were probably "legitimate".  But the way he acted the whole time, pretending he was clean, when he and pretty much all of the other cyclists probably knew otherwise.  That and destroying people's lives.  It's really fucked.  

          It would be one thing if he just avoided commenting on cheating or just stick with the line about never failing a test (technically true).  But the way he acted...it's sociopathic.

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