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  •  All the Beltway labeling is misleading. (10+ / 0-)

    What the vast majority of Americans want is the "Humanly Decent."

    Sure, there's the permanent infantilism faction -- I want everything that I want, don't care who gets hurt, and don't want to hear shit about how fucked up I am --

    and then there's people who take sides based on the truncated and bizarrely-spun version of "the issues" which mass-reach Media spews...

    We'd be wise to drop the Beltway Straight-Jackets and just boil politics down to "Humanly Decent" "Not So." Dump all their labels, and the attendant rhetoric, which are just there to confuse people.


    Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

    by Jim P on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 01:07:52 PM PST

    •  The beltway pundits will never drop the labeling. (2+ / 0-)
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      It's a major part of the constant corporate propaganda that Americans are subjected to (unless, of course, they turn off their TV's and radios, etc.

      What the liberal or progressive communities need to do better, is to educate their members regarding various politicians stances (details, not just fuzzy sound bites).

      IMO one of the biggest problems is that many low information voters are quite guillable, and can be easily led to vote for corporatist Dems, simply because they don't either know the issues, or the candidate's background as well as they should.

       

      Since the mainstream corporatist media is so dishonest, one definitely can't rely on their definition of progressive.

      It's a joke.  Heck, Evan Bayh was constantly called "a centrist or moderate."  

      And that also means being open to some 'unpleasant truths," at times.  We must not allow ourselves to be so "tribalist" that we can't see a candidate for what he really is.  

      Remember, the DSCC, especially under Rahm Emanuel's watch, recruited many Republicans (especially businessmen) as candidates from the Red States.  We don't have such a huge contingency of Blue Dog and Third Way or corporatist Dems, by accident.  LOL!

      We must remain vigilant, and examine candidate's records, especially on 'fiscal matters,' who are running for Congress, the Senate, and/or for President.  And we need to do it before they receive the Party's nomination.

      So, I agree, 'Labels don't matter' if folks are willing to ferret out information on candidates outside of the mainstream media bubble and hype about a candidate.  And folks need to realize that the 'labels' are intentionally very misleading, and be willing to do their own homework.

      Mollie

      “If a dog won’t come to you after having looked you in the face, you should go home and examine your conscience.” -- Woodrow Wilson

      by musiccitymollie on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 04:31:13 PM PST

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      •  Hence, my oft-repeated aphorism (2+ / 0-)
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        Until we break up the mass-reach Media Cartels, we'll win battles but lose wars.

        Politically speaking there is no one single thing more important than disabling the most sophisticated and ubiquitous propaganda/agitation machine in all history.

        But people either fool themselves that the internet will replace it; or that there's nothing to be done about it.


        Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

        by Jim P on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 04:54:11 PM PST

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        •  You'll get no argument out of me, Jim P. I've (1+ / 0-)
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          racked my feeble brain, and can't figure out "how" it can be done.  But I agree, wholeheartedly.

          Mollie

          “If a dog won’t come to you after having looked you in the face, you should go home and examine your conscience.” -- Woodrow Wilson

          by musiccitymollie on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 07:24:54 PM PST

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          •  I've got a lot of ideas. But it has to start (1+ / 0-)
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            with the notable bloggers starting the action. It would be pressure on the FCC to write extremely restrictive market-rules (I prefer "1 company, 1 market, 1 outlet") so as to greatly multiply the number of outlets; force breakups and sell-offs of say, Time Warner and the major networks.

            Then serious license challenges. "Dump cable" movements, eminent domain pressures, local legislation requiring a certain amount of public input into programming, etc.

            If you think about it, you can come up with a bunch of angles from which to simultaneously attack the de facto monopoly on the public space. I'd list them all again, but for now... it starts with the prominent bloggers focusing attention on the topic.


            Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

            by Jim P on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 07:46:48 PM PST

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            •  Then I hope you go for it. Truthfully, I don't (1+ / 0-)
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              know or understand enough about the FCC's role, eminent domain, etc., to effectively participate in this effort.

              But I'll gladly support anyone's effort to blog about this topic, and effect the necessary changes.

              Mollie

              “If a dog won’t come to you after having looked you in the face, you should go home and examine your conscience.” -- Woodrow Wilson

              by musiccitymollie on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 07:55:20 PM PST

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              •  Sigh! Pushed the view relentlessly here (0+ / 0-)

                for four or five years. I'd get "I understand, but my priorities are different" from the big names.

                But nothing advances, or if it does it takes 10x as long as it should, as long as we have the media the way it is.

                Wrote to Bill Moyers about the topic one week before the Clinton "scandal" (a perfect example of how media contrives our politics). Used the phrase, talking about general programming, "dumping raw sewage into the public mind" which I heard him use on his show once. ("One writer said...")

                That's about my success. It blows my mind away, it's so bloody obvious that the media-as-is is the linchpin, the heart, the jugular, of the 1%'s enterprise. Yet nobody on the left goes for it. Just whines and mocks.


                Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

                by Jim P on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 08:04:29 PM PST

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                •  I don't get it either. Perhaps prominent bloggers (1+ / 0-)
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                  on the left are fearful.  The One Percent has such tremendous power and influence.

                  I've noticed that a radio talk show host by the name of Mike Malloy has completely changed his tune for several months now.  This change came about when his radio time slot changed, drastically minimizing his "live audience."

                  It was his time slot on his main source of broadcast (XM satellite radio) that moved him from 8:00 p.m. until 11:00 p.m.  He even cut the price of his show podcasts by 50 percent.  

                  But, obviously, I don't know that.  

                  It is rather glaring, however, that we don't seem to have any "lefty" billionaires who are willing to support "left" media.  Unfortunately, when it comes to finances, I suspect they're all conservatives.  LOL!

                  Don't give up hope, though.  That may soon be all any of us have.

                  Mollie

                  “If a dog won’t come to you after having looked you in the face, you should go home and examine your conscience.” -- Woodrow Wilson

                  by musiccitymollie on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 08:29:47 PM PST

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                  •  Didn't always agree with him, (1+ / 0-)
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                    but loved listening to Malloy when I'd have the radio on while working. One of the rare honest ones. I'll have to try and catch any programs he might have on free stations.

                    You might be interested, if you don't have it already in this: progressive radio network http://prn.fm/

                    Sooner or later, the main topic will have to be dealt with. Thanks for the verification that I'm not a lone looney out here, noticing the obvious.


                    Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

                    by Jim P on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 04:18:56 PM PST

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