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  •  My Perspective Is a Bit Different (7+ / 0-)

    I hope you don't mind me commenting again here and disagreeing.

    I don't think that the rights for trans people should be curtailed because of what a casual observer can or cannot tell the difference between. The existence of a pervert should not be permitted to harm the right of an innocent person to do something as usual as access the restroom for what is undeniably a universal, biological need.

    I myself wouldn't mind unisex bathrooms that provided more privacy. I'm not particularly thrilled to be standing up at a urinal with a bunch of guys or crowded in a row of stalls. Give everybody a door and be done with it.

    "I'll believe that corporations are people when I see Rick Perry execute one."

    by bink on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 05:11:25 PM PST

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    •  nobody is saying that trans people can't use the (0+ / 0-)

      restroom.  They just feel uncomfortable about trans people using the right one.

      Personally I don't see what the fuss is all about.  I've frequently used the men's room at overcrowded arena shows, theaters, etc.  The line is always so long at the women's!  The men have been startled, but I've never felt threatened.

      I can see both sides.  We do make special accommodation in our society to protect women from men.  Unfortunately that divide is now based on how passable a trans woman or crossdresser is, and that's wrong too.

      •  Which, in your mind, is the "right" one? (3+ / 0-)
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        Please explain which restroom is the "right" one for me who is post operative. Which is the "right" one for a pre-op? You probably don't see what all of the "fuss" is about because you've never been threatened with arrest or bodily harm for needing to pee. The "pee perverts" as you name them, don't exist or exist in such insignificant numbers as to amount to a straw man argument. Next time you have your skull fractured for having the temerity to walk down the street, let me know and we'll commiserate together.

        "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

        by MargaretPOA on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 05:37:19 PM PST

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        •  The "right" one for a pre-op OR post-op (1+ / 0-)
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          trans woman is the women's restroom OF COURSE.  And MtF crossdressers too.

          But in general society I would say there are about as many creepy perverts as trans women.  There are not a lot of trans women out there, and there are a lot of creepy perverts.  I don't have stats on that, though.

          There is never a risk of arrest for a trans woman using the men's room.  As for risk of bodily harm, if that's the only argument, then that's a larger argument.  NO woman should have to risk bodily harm by using whatever damn restroom is in the building, whether men's OR women's.  That speaks to our rape culture.  And as a cis woman who has fought off three attempted rapes, I certainly do understand rape culture.

          Every time I go out with my girlfriend I risk being physically attacked over her very non-passable appearance, so please tone down your anger.  

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