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  •  From what I hear (4+ / 0-)
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    Mort Weisinger had a lot of personal problems. And that's the charitable view.

    The thing about quotes on the internet is you cannot confirm their validity. ~Abraham Lincoln

    by raboof on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 07:43:47 AM PST

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    •  All I know ... (2+ / 0-)
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      ... is that Moscowitz and Weisinger were long-time friends.

      When Kinney bought National Periodical Publications, Mort was sent packing immediately.

      There are two volumes of Mosowitz-essays about SF writers:

      Explorers of the Infinite and Seekers of Tomorrow IMHO -- more suitable for psychologists than historians.

      My group of baby-Boomer fans knew about Edison's Conquest of Mars from the anthology The Treasury of Science Fiction Classics where it sat in abridged form among stories by Wells, Stapeldon, Verne, Bierce et al on the shelves of most public libraries.

      We weren't fooled QUITE that easily -- Sirens of Titan by Vonnegut was new and readily available. If we wanted trash, somebody always had a spare copy of Triplanetary to pass along.

      Millions of us – the majority – must come together to insist that President Obama and the Democrats stand up and fight for the things we sent them there to do ... Michael Moore

      by MT Spaces on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 08:19:40 AM PST

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      •  Maybe a future diary in this series (2+ / 0-)
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        might be "SF Fan-Editors - Is It Worth Exhuming The Dreck?" , featuring Moskowitz, Lin Carter, and Darrell Schweitzer.

        The thing about quotes on the internet is you cannot confirm their validity. ~Abraham Lincoln

        by raboof on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 09:01:35 AM PST

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        •  Maybe, except ... (3+ / 0-)
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          ... Carter "exhumed" Lud in the Mist and the fantasies of William Morris.

          (GAWD! His own writing was dire, though!)

          I once spoke to a never-to-be-named pro who lamented about so many former fans in his industry tending to have their visions bound and limited by what had gone before, rather than contributing ideas from the wider world.

          He acknowledged a few exceptions, but I reluctantly had to agree with his general thesis when confronted with a pile of examples.

          Millions of us – the majority – must come together to insist that President Obama and the Democrats stand up and fight for the things we sent them there to do ... Michael Moore

          by MT Spaces on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 10:02:40 AM PST

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          •  I can easily see it (3+ / 0-)
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            That's one reason I'm really, really selective about the SF and fantasy I read these days - I can spot a derivative from a mile away, and I'm poor enough that I just don't have the coin to spend on something that's a rehash.

          •  I will give Carter credit (2+ / 0-)
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            for reprinting Mirrlees,  and for rescuing Evangeline Walton from obscurity, but he also reprinted a lot of 19th century curios that should have remained curios.

            The thing about quotes on the internet is you cannot confirm their validity. ~Abraham Lincoln

            by raboof on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 04:50:03 AM PST

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            •  Oh YES! Evangeline Walton ... (1+ / 0-)
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              ... what a wonderful storyteller!

              The "curios" had their place in history, though.

              So sad that LC's writings were mostly worse, except for maybe Robert W. Chambers' drek -- but Clark Ashton Smith's scribblings FOR SURE. (meow)

              Millions of us – the majority – must come together to insist that President Obama and the Democrats stand up and fight for the things we sent them there to do ... Michael Moore

              by MT Spaces on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 07:31:45 AM PST

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        •  *shudder* (3+ / 0-)
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          A friend of mine swears he saw Schweitzer walking up to strangers at a convention and asking them to buy one of his books after his publisher dropped him.  It was truly sad.

      •  I think I may have read those books... (1+ / 0-)
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        Or at least a book of essays on science fiction where there was only ONE essay by a woman (Anne McCaffrey), who was assigned to write about romance (of course).  It was dreadfully dated, even for the 1970s, and man oh man was I glad when Pamela Sargent came out with Women of Wonder.

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