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  •  AWB accomplishes very little in and of itself (5+ / 0-)

    but it will make some people happy just because, and I guess happy is really, really important.

    YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

    by raincrow on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 01:48:33 AM PST

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    •  What with the 45 or so homicides per year (4+ / 0-)

      committed with them, on average, a tenth the number committed with hammers or fists.

      But banning them would make mean thoughts go away, or so the proponents of the ban imagine.

      Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

      by Robobagpiper on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 07:15:47 AM PST

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    •  AWB was imperfect (0+ / 0-)

      and had huge avoidance loopholes, yet since it's repeal formerly proscribed weapons are appearing a crime scenes in much greater profusion than while the ban was active.

      And if you look at a truly comprehensive ban like the Australian model, you see even more stark indicators of efficacy.

      •  Hard to judge Australia because their (3+ / 0-)
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        population is so small by comparison. The incidence per year of killing rampages here has veered between 1 in 31 million and 1 in 249 million since the Great Depression. If Australia is at all comparable to us in annual wacko outbreaks (their domestic violence stats are comparable iirc), it will take 2+ decades more of data to judge the comparative efficacy of their law (effective 1996 ?).

        The problem weapon continues to be handguns -- 73% of all gun crime fatalities in 2011.

        btw, where did you get your post-AWB assault rifle stat? It didn't leap out of the FBI numbers at me; the 2011 data I saw didn't differentiate rifle types. Maybe I didn't look closely enough...?

        YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

        by raincrow on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 10:53:45 AM PST

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      •  It was not repealed. It expired. (0+ / 0-)

        The AWB was passed with a 10 year sunset, because those that proposed it (DiFi) knew it would make no difference in crime, but wanted a culture-war issue to keep eternally fighting over.

        "Assault weapons" have been used in 0.6% of homicides since the ban's repeal, a number sufficiently tiny as to be consistent with no change at all. "Much greater profusion" is a claim you need to back up or retract.

        Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

        by Robobagpiper on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 06:46:14 AM PST

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