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  •  Isn't it possible to deride (9+ / 0-)

    what he has become without dismissing the reality of the 5-year ordeal he underwent as a prisoner?

    He broke both arms and a leg in the crash of his plane. The N. Vietnamese didn't treat his injuries, in fact they used them to inflict more pain during beatings. He spent two years in solitary confinement which is a kind of psychological torture.

    In August 1968, a program of severe torture began on McCain.[45] He was subjected to rope bindings and repeated beatings every two hours, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery.[33][45] Further injuries led to the beginning of a suicide attempt, stopped by guards.

    He eventually broke and made a bogus confession, but when he refused to sign more confessions he was beaten two or three times a week.

    None of this means that either his personal and ethical failures or his self-serving and reckless politics should be overlooked. It shouldn't be, he should be treated as a heedless enemy of progress and honesty. But the heroic nature of his ordeal shouldn't be overlooked either.

    The North Vietnamese wanted to release him early because he was an admiral's son. McCain refused and endured years more of torture. You can quibble and say that enduring mistreatment while in captivity isn't heroic. But it's possible to acknowledge what he went through and condemn what he became at the same time. He paid a huge price and deserves some respect for what he gave in serving his country.

    •  This ... (10+ / 0-)
      The North Vietnamese wanted to release him early because he was an admiral's son. McCain refused
      ... is the only thing for which I have any true and lasting regard for McCain.

      My husband served in Naval aviation during the same period and for years has said the same things about McCain many here have mentioned.

      He crashed more planes than anyone would have gotten another chance to do, he disobeyed orders which resulted in his being captured, and except for the one incident mentioned above, he maintained the same sense of arrogant entitlement throughout his entire adult life.

      He had a chance to do the right thing WRT torture, and he has taken to abandoning that principled position every time he judges it will be in his political interest to do so.

      I look forward to the day when there is no longer any reason to have this discussion.

      "The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another." ~ George Bancroft (1800-1891)

      by JBL55 on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 09:07:55 AM PST

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    •  I agree (2+ / 0-)
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      McCain had a chance to leave captivity early and refused  to do so, that was a heroic act and for that I have no problem calling him a hero.

      Calling everyone who puts on a uniform a hero is absurd though. But that was the beauty of the elite going to a volunteer, professional military. We could start romanticizing military service and pretend everyone made a concientious act of valor to join without really worrying about the conditions that brought them there or the type of war we are engaged in.

    •  Yeah...that' great spion but Rolling Stone has the (0+ / 0-)

      goods on him in the 2008 article.  McCain is a figment of his own making.

      ..most profound moments of my life...the last few -- And, for Global COOLING, if it's man-made and doesn't move, paint it WHITE!

      by tristan57 on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 12:56:34 PM PST

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