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  •  We protect those close to us (3+ / 0-)
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    our family first, then our neighbor, then our tribe, against outsiders.

    That's always been how it works.

    There have been studies showing that crimes that are shown on TV impact us more, because it makes it seem like it is happening in our community.

    Which is why we get so upset about the deaths of 20 children in CT, but not so much in foreign countries.

    I agree with you for the most part, humans aren't as nice as we'd like to imagine.

    But in my experience, being on both sides of the divide, that is more common in urban setting where there seems to be little community, as opposed to a rural situation where everyone knows everyone else, and will go to bat to defend  almost their most hated neighbor.

    •  Actually, it seems to me that in a urban setting (0+ / 0-)

      There is far more cooperation and community, considering they are fine with paying taxes to help out the rural areas, while the rural areas are not fine with paying taxes to help out the urban areas.

      You are talking about small circles in the rural areas, while the urban people are more likely to be into helping larger groups of people.

      Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

      by splashy on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 01:42:18 AM PST

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      •  What makes you think (0+ / 0-)

        people who live in rural areas aren't fine with paying taxes? Why would the taxes on our lands, property and such (for our schools, services, etc.) need to go to the city, which has more people making more money and paying more taxes? Why would rural people need to pay for city schools, services, etc.? Seems a very odd complaint to me.

        I very much like to see the swelling of ranks in the "urban homesteading" movement, would love it if city dwellers learned about growing things and producing food for themselves and their neighbors. But as it stands right now, the urban populations are dependent upon the rural population to supply the food, much of the energy, and a large chunk of the general consumables city people purchase with all their 'extra' money. If that seems unfair to you, I urge you to replace your lawn with crops and chickens (or ducks, they're more fun). That won't affect how the government spends your tax dollars, but you'll eat better and have more fun.

        •  Don't most of the ones against taxes (0+ / 0-)

          Live in the rural areas? You know, the right wingers?

          That's what I read about everywhere.

          The rural areas depend on the urban areas for funding for roads, electricity, schools, hospitals, and other things needed in the more rural areas that the rural people don't have enough  money to pay for. Most of the right wing states are more rural, and get more money than they put in to the Federal coffers.

          By the way, I live in a very rural area, so don't assume so much. Just because I talk about urban areas being more cooperative when it comes to the entire population doesn't mean that I live in an urban area.

          It's a symbiotic relationship, but a lot of rural people don't get that.

          Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

          by splashy on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 05:19:39 PM PST

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          •  No doubt there's some (0+ / 0-)

            right-wingers around, and probably plenty of people (of various political persuasions) who complain about taxes. There's property taxes, local and county taxes, service fees, dedicated 'extra' taxes (bonds for public infrastructure), state and federal income taxes, sales taxes, gasoline taxes... it never ends.

            Schools and services in the county/district are financed by property and local assessment taxes paid by landholders, vehicle owners and other residents of the county (we even have a "head tax"). Same is true in populous counties - where you'll find more and larger schools, many more law enforcement personnel and offices, a fire house every few blocks, municipal services, sewer, water, etc. My county gets zero money from the local/county property and services taxes of other counties, and other counties get none of ours. Perhaps in your state it works differently.

            Money that gets passed around by the state and federal governments via legislative allotment is used to help support schools on a per-student basis, maybe buy some buses and fire trucks once in a blue moon, develop new landfill facilities occasionally, stuff like that. Plus the state and federal services (and their separate infrastructures and funding sources). That comes from income tax revenues to the state and feds, and from a variety of other general taxes (sales taxes, gasoline taxes, tax taxes...). From those legislative allotments you'll get the prominent Red State disproportionate share. Which includes pork, of course - military-industrial subsidies, etc., etc.

            Oh... and everybody I know around here buys their electricity from Duke Energy. All of us (city or country) buy it on a per-kilowatt basis with income left over after we've paid all our taxes. Phone service is also something we all get to buy on our own from one corporation or another. Local taxes don't have anything to do with those services and haven't for as long as anybody can remember.

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