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  •  scientology is purely a financial fraud. (11+ / 0-)

    Its purpose is to generate revenue by terrifying people and separating people from friends and family, invent fraudulent scientific tricks, and completely brainwash the individual--for which the individual has to pay a heavy price.

    While any religion has its corrupters and its evils--this is at the core of scientology.  No Jew or Catholic or Episcopalian I know has had their church/synagogue come after them and intimidate  them and call the lawyers to testify against them if they question their belief systems.

    Religions CAN be used for ill.  Scientology IS ill.

    •  my aunt attended a prosperty gospel (5+ / 0-)

      church after getting saved. (the church, officially, used episcopalian as part of its name, although it really wasn't.)

      now she doesn't have a house. gave all her money to her church, after increasing "recommendations" that people give more and more, which they did, because they didn't want Jesus to cast them into hell or whatever, and they wanted to get "Prospered." that wasn't scientology. that was one of the many subsets of Protestant Christianity.

      the pastor got him a nice new bentley and an escalade and a hummer and a shore house. (she lives in SE pennsylvania.)

      thankfully, she's mellowed some, and while I'd rather she didn't litter my facebook page with scripture, I'm glad she's found a far more spiritually affirming church and not one that will literally steal her money from her. she even joined the chick-fil-a boycott!

      mormons will never drop you from their rolls and will bug you to keep coming back if you go inactive.

      neither will the Witnesses, unless you do bad (by their rulebook), then they "disfellowship" you and your family and friends still in the church are not allowed to talk to you or associate with you at all. this i've witnessed personally.

      not much different than scientology in my opinion (and note, I'm not making an accusation of all of christianity. just certain, very controlling subsets of it, LDS included).

      it's a very controlling religion that's also a scam. this isn't new in history, or even now. I'm not sure why people have a problem with this concept. Yes, religion can scam. Not all members in it do, nor all within its hiearchy, but it happens. Handwaving Scientology as a cult really doesn't change that much, I don't think.

      just a little bit bored.

      by terrypinder on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 01:02:32 PM PST

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      •  I know several Mormons and haven't seen anything (0+ / 0-)

        remotely like what I experienced when I had to get my friend out of scientology.  

        Jehovah's witnesses--another friend was in a J.W. family and she did have some serious problems.  But I tend to see them as a cult as well.

        •  I'm a child of teh Mormon church (3+ / 0-)
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          great great grandpa on dad's side joined up with Joe in Upstate NY. There are differences no doubt, but one of the biggest ones is that the LDS church is older, established, and accepted.

          They withhold the key to heaven from those who don't pay tithes, they do hound inactive members, and if you do step away they encourage family and community to shun. Those are cult like behaviors. Add that to their secret ceremonies and their absolute belief that their leader speaks not just for God, but to God.

          Then you have the belief in the Heavenly Mother, that God and Mary had sex to produce Jesus, the existence of an actual Holy Ghost, other planets that the Saints live on and that you can aspire to your own planet....is this that far from Xenu?

          "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

          by high uintas on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 04:12:54 PM PST

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          •  my joke is (3+ / 0-)
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            mormonism is 19th century scientology.

            give scientology another 50 years...it'll be just like mormonism.

            I joked about it down thread.

            just a little bit bored.

            by terrypinder on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 04:16:41 PM PST

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          •  the Mormon beliefs I find nutty--largely because (1+ / 0-)
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            they're so recent and people should have more sense.

            The Xenu beliefs, though, I find completely insane--I wonder if any Scientologists actually believe it.  They know how stupid it is--that's why they hide it.

            I do know that, after 2 weeks of Scientology, my friend mentioned to him that he had his doubts about it, and the 'Church' wanted names and numbers of the people who were dissuading him.  That disturbed him enough to get out of it, with some help from me.

            Scientology pretty much exists to eliminate your free will and get cash, and terrorize you and come after people you know.

            The Mormons I knew came across as pretty stable.  I don't know what their actual beliefs were, t hough.

            •  Actually they are pretty stable (2+ / 0-)
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              IMO for the reasons that I pointed out, age, acceptance, and the time to establish themselves in the mainstream of American life. Romney running was a huge thing for them. They also are really nice people for the most part, I would hate for people to think that they are evil. They aren't at all.

              But, the basic beliefs and the church itself is very different from what most Christians are used to.

              "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

              by high uintas on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 04:29:36 PM PST

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