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  •  Christian fueled crap. (4+ / 0-)
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    I agree it is Christian fueled.  The difference is that Christians are free and able to disagree - even vocally, loudly and publicly - without fear of vicious personal attacks from the Church and being excommunicated and losing your family and friends.  Further, Scientology often controls the bank accounts of many members and if you leave and are vocal about the problems of the Church (or even that it doesn't work as advertised) then the Church will keep all your money.  Speaking against the church is a risk not just of shattered families and a destroyed life, but being kicked out,homeless and penniless.

    This is literally Scientology Church policy.  Official policy!  Not just the work of a few bad apples.  KSW as Mr. Cruise famously said...keeping scientology working.  Meanwhile, anyone in Christianity is free to disagree and there are many who do.  Only the most extreme right-wing Christains, I would bet, use religion as an excuse to justify their own ignorance and hatred.

    So no, there is no comparison even using your example of the dangers of extremist right wing Christians.

    •  Rosencrantz, that hair isn't going to exist if you (1+ / 0-)
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      split it finer.

      Yes, Christians are a larger group, and there are subdivisions within the parent religion.

      But if you join a group of your own free will, you own their rep.

      And when someone meets the most basic of requirements for the Christian religion: accepting that Jesus Christ exists, he is lord and savior, and is the son of the Christian God.

      That's Christianity.

      I get that you don't like what some of your fellow Christians do, and I agree with you on that, but they are your people and are a part of your group.

      And you don't get to decide to kick them out. You don't get to decide that they don't believe Jesus is their lord and savior, because they do.

      And for whatever horrible thing they are doing at the time, I'm sure they believe that either A) Jesus wants them to do it, or B) He'll forgive them.

      Apparently he does that a lot.

      For everything.

      •  You completely miss the point. (5+ / 0-)
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        The point is one can be a member of a religion and still believe/say what they want.  One can NOT be part of scientology and have that same freedom.  Hence the difference.  I can agree or disagree without fear of reprisal...scientologists can not.    And it's not the work of a few crazies, we are talking about official policies here.  If the pope passes an official church doctrine saying people must bash gays and molest children, then maybe you would have a point.  But that isn't the case.  Again, unlike scientology where NOTHING can be done that goes against official church policy.  EVER.  You do so and you are either punished by the church or kicked out and declared an enemy.

        How is that splitting hairs in any way shape or form?  

        The rest of what you say is meaningless for a number of reasons.  Just because some people claim to be Christian and absolutely believe Jesus wants them to do something is irrelevant.  You may as well be saying all muslims are terrorists because a few crazy extremists speak for everyone.

      •  so because I'm Jewish I support the stoning of (3+ / 0-)


        I support settlement building in Israel?

        You have a very monolithic view of religion which is wholly inaccurate...(sure, it's true for some, but not most)

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