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  •  Yeah, I have trouble seeing the "religion" (2+ / 0-)
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    dimension in Scientology. It's a techno-psychology with a weird backstory, but nothing about god or gods, nothing about transcendence or the sorts of things that religions generally deal with. It's more similar to Buddhism, whose practitioners often say it is not a religion but a practice and a philosophy.

    Just being involved in power and money doesn't make it a religion either or capitalism and communism would both be religions. Some of course say that they are.



    Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

    by Wee Mama on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 01:33:38 PM PST

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    •  Yet the original "thugs" were a religion despite (1+ / 0-)
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      pretty much being based on nothing but robbery and ritual murder.

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 02:47:28 PM PST

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      •  They were devotees of Kali, actually. (3+ / 0-)

        Since Kali is in part the goddess of destruction, it makes a certain weird sense.



        Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

        by Wee Mama on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 03:01:17 PM PST

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        •  They were sort of like contemporary (2+ / 0-)
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          Bhairavites or Aghoras, actually. If you were to draw an analogy to something recognizable today, you could say that Thuggees and Bhairavites and Aghoras were or are similar to Satanists: they worshipped the dark side of the religion. The difference is that Hindus don't see an absolute divide between good and evil, per se (I might argue that some, like Brahmins, do see a divide here). Now here's something I know much more about. Most of these worshippers came from Southern India, mainly Tamil Nadu, where Saivism and Shaktism -- and Tantra -- are still more practiced than something like Vaisnavism or Brahminism in the North (granted, there are plenty of other sects of Saivites in the North and through Nepal -- mainly Naga Babas, naked and covered in ash, ascetics). Most Bhairavites and Aghoras are still in Southern India. They worship Kali and also Shiva's darker aspect. Depending on which sect one is discussing. Some even live in cremation grounds and eat corpses. This is true. I know several people who have encountered those sects. They tend to be either brahmacharya (celibate) or engage in Tantric sex. Often they are naked and ash-smeared. They tend to have dreadlocks, a few distinct tilaks (facial markings), and some do wear bones or carry a human skull cup that is ritualistic.

          At any rate, they aren't very organized and aren't out legislating mental health care for U.S. citizens -- or any others. There's nothing that they do which is harmful to others that I'm aware of. Bit surly, and they keep to themselves because they're antisocial. I could explain their views in more depth, but it's neither here nor there. Thuggees were a more extreme sect, IMHO, sort of like a Satanist might be viewed by a Christian, kind of, and with all the degrees that come with that. Do Thuggees still exist? No clue. But again, they were never taken seriously by U.S. Congresspeople and also, they never undertook massive, capitalist-driven global initiatives that had a deleterious impact on other peoples' lives. Just to put things in perspective about sadhus, of which there are about 85,000 sub-types. They have never had political goals, which the Scientologists do, and they have the money to advance their goals, as well as political alliances, and in fact, they are advancing their goals, so there's that.

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          by mahakali overdrive on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 06:13:55 PM PST

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