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  •  If OUR leader, Sen. Reid, can't get 51 votes ... (3+ / 0-)
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    3goldens, betelgeux, grayday101

    ... to end the silent filibuster, we need a new leader.

    The 41 vote business is cute, but ridiculous. While it is an alternative, it's a weaker one, a half-a**ed cop-out to the kind of ossification that produced today's ridiculous gridlock.

    The Senate needs reform now. Senator Reid needs to be an effective part of meaningful reform ... or step down.

    2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

    by TRPChicago on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 09:50:07 AM PST

    •  What sort of leverage do you think (1+ / 0-)
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      he has over the holdouts?  Reid's demonstrated that he can play hardball.  From what I can gather, the holdouts are quite safe and aren't worried about being primaried. How do you whip the truly entrenched when they can't get beyond the past and feel they have little to lose?

      •  Outing. Committee assignments next time. ... (2+ / 0-)
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        akmk, grayday101

        Scheduling bills for action, or not-right-away-because-we're-so-busy. Perqs and bennies of the Senate. Boondoggles. Select assignments that will come about during the term. Hell, anything a Senator wants going forward that the MJ can influence. And the Senatorial Campaign Committee does have some things to say about support during reelection campaigns. (Heaven forfend it be used in any way but the most supportive!)

        Every leader has leverage. I had a boss once who put forth his proposal - a quite radical one for the business. Then he listened very tolerantly to the views of others, though with increasingly visible impatience. At the end of a meeting, his customary time to sum the action items up, he reiterated what he wanted to do and told us: "If people won't change, we have to change the people."

        While Majority Leader Harry Reid can't change the people themselves, he can exercise a leader's leverage ... and I'm confident that the majority of his majority would support him. He won't be deposed in mid stream; there aren't enough votes.

        (And No, I don't think Harry Reid plays hardball. I believe he plays active/passive ball and ducks the toughest ones.)

        2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

        by TRPChicago on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 11:15:33 AM PST

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    •  making the opposition get 41 NOes (2+ / 0-)
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      is definitely better than making the majority produce 60 yeses ...The Dems would never be able to get 60 yes votes... look at all the failures due to the lack of 60 yes to cloture votes

      This puts the burden on the party that wants it ...

      I think I like this better than the talking filibuster ... you don't have a martyr up there spouting nonsense ...no Romantic Jimmy Stewart type ...

      the house just passed the debt limit bill and it's on to the Senate ...   so let's get the rules in place...

      The rule should have always been 41 votes in the chamber to block it ...

      Give your heart a real workout! Love your enemies!

      by moonbatlulu on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 10:30:05 AM PST

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      •  There are GOP Senators who look like Jimmy ... (0+ / 0-)

        ... Stewart? And sure, let some ultra-conservative get up and read recipes or the phonebook. Time after time, 'til the Senate freezes over. That, at least for a while, would be newsworthy confrontation and the media might start covering the gridlock in DC for the partisan non-activity that it is.

        On the merits, do you think the obdurate and dedicated Mitch McConnell, who has been the effective leader of the US Senate for the last several years, can't muster 41 Republicans any damn time he has to?

        2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

        by TRPChicago on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 11:21:48 AM PST

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        •  yes, McConnell can muster 41 votes initially (0+ / 0-)

          but he has to keep them ...and no, I don't think he can keep them very long .... as soon as 41 noes are not on the floor of the Senate the filibuster is over ...

          Give your heart a real workout! Love your enemies!

          by moonbatlulu on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 11:41:59 AM PST

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          •  Will the proposal - yet to be seen - require 41... (0+ / 0-)

            ... continual presences on the floor?

            But even if it does, wouldn't that necessitate the majority having at least that many, plus one, on the floor or very nearby at all times? Otherwise, anyone could call the question and vote.

            Why do I doubt that that this archaic, ossified, anti-deliberative body - where members of both parties and independents cherish the value of No! - would require what we think it would require? Just sayin'.

            2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

            by TRPChicago on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 02:10:47 PM PST

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