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  •  I've never seen Obama as a dove, either (1+ / 0-)
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    zinger99

    They seem about the same to me, honestly. Obama was not a member of the US legislature when the Iraq war started, so we have nothing to compare there. Your speculations about who would be more willing to go into Iran are simply laughable, it's guesswork. What we do know is that Obama RAN on a platform of putting more troops into Afghanistan, and since being elected, he has done just that, quadrupling the number of troops in the country. Let us not forget that he has presided over the expansion of drone warfare, and engaging in military adventures in quite a few countries we are not even at war with.

    Obama is a hawk. Deal with it.

    •  Oh, I'm not saying he's a dove either (0+ / 0-)

      and I also know he didn't have to make the tough vote on Iraq.  I don't think he wants war with Iran though.  

      I do think that we're going to have make a choice between guns and butter because this deficit stuff isn't going away and if the Democratic Party doesn't find a spine it will inevitably be guns.  I'm not sure there's anyone out there with the guts to face down the MIC.   Maybe Hillary would have the stature to do that.  But would she?

      •  How ELSE is she "to the right of Obama?" (0+ / 0-)

        I'm quite curious as to what sort of evidence you used to arrive at this, your stated position. Now that we have ruled out foreign policy, you must feel that Obama is left of Hillary on domestic issues.  So, what makes you think that?

        •  no problem: (0+ / 0-)

          * union busting Walmart Board member

          * supported NAFTA

          * Israel & Palestine

          * domestic drug policy

          I am sure I could come up with more and details.  But this is the gist of it.
           

          •  Not much of a list (0+ / 0-)

            That list proves, well, nothing. It isn't a proper comparison. It's just a disconnected series of words.

            Obama is in no way pro union. Ask Laura Clawson or any other pro union Kossack whether he has been good for unions. He hasn't, but we'll call this a tossup.

            Has Obama repealed NAFTA? No? Are more free trade agreements moving forward under Obama? Yes? Another tossup.

            You need to do more than mention two countries' names here. And I thought we were talking domestic issues?

            Again, simply saying "Domestic drug policy" without context means nothing. What policies? And, seriously, has Obama started allowing importation of lower cost drugs? Has he forced the government to negotiate with drug companies for lower prices? No?

            You really don't know how to argue very well. I mean, it feels as though you aren't really trying. I don't know why you even bothered to write this, days later.

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