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  •  Are you old enough to remember (19+ / 0-)

    when we went through this in the civilian world, in the 70s, when the categories, "Help Wanted - Male" and "Help Wanted - Female" went away?

    The point made at the time was, gender was being used to stand in for whatever the actual qualifications for a job were. If someone needs to carry 100 pounds to do a job properly, then make that the test for the job, rather than say that only men may apply. Gender itself was found by courts to be an actual BFOQ, or "Bona Fide Occupational Qualification" for a very few jobs (including sperm donor and wet nurse).

    There were certainly people at the time worrying that unqualified cops and firefighters and so on would "have to be" hired, but in fact, it just forced employers to consider what was really needed to do a job and look for that. I think that the armed services, more than possibly any other organization, has a good handle on what each of their jobs requires. I think they can deal with this. You yourself demonstrate that combat jobs should be open for women to apply for when you say

    There are certainly women who are fast and strong enough to meet the male PT standards, so IMO they should be allowed to serve in the infantry. But those that can't should not be let in
    Open for women to apply for is what we're talking about here, not women can stroll in and claim any job they like. I don't think the military lets anyone do that, nor should they.

    •  Yes, yes, yes. I remember when the issue of... (8+ / 0-)

      ....women firefighters came up in the city of Boulder. There were a lot of people who said they couldn't handle it (plus BS about sleeping in the fire station and restrooms, yada, yada. But the they-can't-do-it talk flew in the face of the fact that the majority, more than 75 percent of volunteer firefighters in county when they surveyed them, were women. Much of this was mountain terrain and they were widely respected. Some of them had biceps that put mine to shame at a time when mine were ample.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 02:10:28 PM PST

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    •  'Zactly. This is the same shit with a different (1+ / 0-)
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      belinda ridgewood

      coat of paint.

      The idiots won't get it. The rest of us will. The world will move on, and hundreds of years from now kids in school will laugh at and deride the backwards people from the dumb-dumb ages who banned people from combat for being female.

      And we will deserve to be laughed at.

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