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  •  Reid/Dems= Lucy. Dem Base= Charlie Brown. (33+ / 0-)

    Just to be clear. It's not McConnell = Lucy and Reid = Charlie Brown. Reid knows what he's doing. Without filibuster, the public option would have been easier to pass. Democrats can't have that almost happen again.

    "The problem with posting quotes off the Internet is you never know if they're genuine."--Gen. George Washington at the Battle of Gettysburg, February 30, 1908

    by Aspe4 on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 07:55:10 PM PST

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    •  McConnell is the defacto senate leader (13+ / 0-)

      Reid iappears to be much more interested in pleasing McConnell than the Democratic base.  It surprises me that the Democratic senators voted that dino in again as senate leader considering his less than stellar past performance.

      •  Does Reid think Republicans won't (20+ / 0-)

        just nuke the filibuster when they get the majority again, or something?

        Hell, Republicans are in the process of rigging the presidential election so that Democrats can never win it again. They won't think twice about nuking the filibuster when they get the majority.

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        by Jeff Y on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 11:41:37 PM PST

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        •  More Good Cop/Bad Cop (13+ / 0-)

          If you're running a Good Cop/Bad Cop scam, you need the Bad Cop.

          Fixing the filibuster de-balls the Bad Cop, so Corporatist D's will not go there.

          For example, Obama campaigned on raising taxes on those earning more than 1/4 million per year. The Corporatists D's did not want to do this, because a) they are or intend to be wealthy, and b) they are shills for the wealthy. So they needed an asshole to blame so they could say "Hey, those mean R's made us raise the limit to 1 million! It wasn't our fault, we're the Good Cop!!!"

          The Democratic party is controlled by Corporatists.

          Everything that supports Corporatist supremacy zips through Congress, and escapes accountability.

          • Creating a police surveillance state? Check.
          • Crash the world's economy for profit? No prosecutions.
          • Launder money for terrorists and drug cartels? No prosecutions.
          • Declare any kind of protest that might violate a law to be a terrorist act? Check.
          • Indefinite detention of US citizens accused of said terrorism? Check.
          • Torture? Check.
          • Free trade deals that exploit the workers and environments of all signers, for Corporate profit? Check.
          • Crush unions. Check.
          • I'm so sick of making this list. Check.

          Anything that supports the middle and poverty classes is subject to Good Cop/Bad Cop.

          I'm not going to make that list here, 'cause you all know it.

          Just remember:
          The Good Cop is not on your side.

          The only encouraging thing is that the Bad Cop is so fucked up right now that it is in danger of self-destruction, and despite their best efforts, the Corporatist Democrats may not be able to save the idiot R's from themselves like they did in 2010. The R's only hope right now is to game the system via gerrymandering scams so they can't lose no matter how badly they suck.

          "the tranquilizing drug of gradualism" - MLK

          by 3rdOption on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 03:32:31 AM PST

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          •  We all know this (1+ / 0-)
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            in our hearts of hearts.  The TEABAGGERS know this; that's why they're so crazy that they've destroyed the Republican party.  BOTH MAINSTREAM PARTIES are part of the problem.  BOTH MAINSTREAM PARTIES serve the Masters Of The Universe and pant like puppies to become part of their social scene.  Thirty years of Republican rule has cemented the power of Wall Street and a few large industrial and extraction corporations over the 99% of mere "citizens".  We are neutralized and politically castrated.

            The question is, what do we do about it?  We've tried working within the system, and we've tried fighting it.  Neither has been very successful.  The one method I've seen that does seem to have some success is ignoring them.  Working outside the System, developing alternative channels of trade, interpersonal economics, and strong human relations.  Minimizing consumption of corporate provender, and thus the need for bank-controlled currency or debt.  Accepting a good natural lifespan and rejecting excessive medical interventions and with them subordination to the corporate-dominated and currency-siphoning Official Medical System.  Making the dominance of the 1% irrelevant, by making the things that they dominate irrelevant.

            But I have to admit, freedom is relative.  We cannot get entirely free of them until we have completely undercut their foundations, and we can't do that overnight.  This is a very long haul, and in the interim, perhaps conventional politics can occasionally make things a Little Less Bad.  But as we see with the new wrinkle on filibuster, gains are likely to be exceedingly small.

      •  Reid isn't that bad for a Purple state like Nevada (5+ / 0-)
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        but we shouldn't be letting the right wing of our Party run things.

        I don't have a problem with him as a Senator - his base is part of the Party too.

        I have a problem with him setting the agenda and getting to decide what's "possible".

        "I have often seen people uncivil by too much civility, and tiresome in their courtesy." Michel de Montaigne

        by JesseCW on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 01:27:17 AM PST

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      •  Correction (1+ / 0-)
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        McConnell is the defacto senate leader
        He is the leader of those with ideologies closest to his..which includes way too many Democrats

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        by justmy2 on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 05:14:00 AM PST

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      •  Don't be surprised (0+ / 0-)
        It surprises me that the Democratic senators voted that dino in again as senate leader considering his less than stellar past performance.
        Not me.  

        They don't particularly want to pass this progressive agenda they've been selling us during election season and fundraising season (which is 24/7/365 of course).  It's quite convenient for them to blame those mean old Republicans, and it would be a shame if that excuse were to be taken away.

        Thank you to Senator Merkley for outing my two "Democratic" senators, Feinstein and Boxer, on this.  I always suspected Feinstein; Boxer was a wee tad more surprising, but not much.

    •  Not "easier". It WOULD have passed. (5+ / 0-)

      Granted, the weak PO Nancy got through the House, but still.

      It would have been something to build on.

      We would have gotten the House subsidies for premiums for the poor and the lower House penalty for being unable to comply with the mandate.

      All around, we would have gotten a much less noxious bill.

      "I have often seen people uncivil by too much civility, and tiresome in their courtesy." Michel de Montaigne

      by JesseCW on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 01:25:47 AM PST

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      •  I Was Considering Saying it Would Have Passed (1+ / 0-)
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        but I've been disappointed too many times to believe that. Many Dems would have still voted against the PO and said "to hell with the base." They don't fear primaries because the Dem base is so afraid of losing elections, they continue to tolerate corporatist Dems. Repugs aren't afraid of losing elections and their politicians know this and fear their base.

        "The problem with posting quotes off the Internet is you never know if they're genuine."--Gen. George Washington at the Battle of Gettysburg, February 30, 1908

        by Aspe4 on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 06:41:36 AM PST

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    •  Surprise Surprise (2+ / 0-)
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      Rotating Villain...

      My only question is "Is Reid in on it, or is he a horrible leader that can't move the likes of Carl Levin and Mary Landrieu?"

      "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

      by justmy2 on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 05:10:46 AM PST

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