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  •  Then why do we bother, really. We are wasting our (10+ / 0-)

    time and money.  We have do nothing democrats, they get rich off our hard work and money and we are afraid to force them to do their jobs.  We need to primary these guys whether we win or not, at least we would be doing something and we would deny them our votes, our money and our hard work.  At some point it will start to work, look at what the Tea Party did in less than 3 years, they took over the GOP.  

    •  lakehills - good point (7+ / 0-)

      when progressives start winning primaries against establishment, incumbent Dems, the Democratic Party will stop taking us for granted.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 09:37:45 PM PST

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      •  Gerrymandering. The Rightwing Got to the Goal (2+ / 0-)

        ahead of us.

        We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

        by Gooserock on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 09:52:40 PM PST

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      •  yes, then we'll be just as bad as the tea party (0+ / 0-)

        and we'll nominate our versions of Todd Akin and Sharron Angle who will lose the general elections.

        ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

        by James Allen on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 10:02:05 PM PST

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        •  Not necesarily (4+ / 0-)

          It's a false equivalence, because most progressive issues resonate well with the public.

          Self-described political "centrists" believe the best policy is halfway between right and wrong. — @RBReich via web

          by BentLiberal on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 12:01:00 AM PST

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          •  well its a false equivalence because (0+ / 0-)

            I can't think of anyone as volatile or disgusting on our side as them, but strong progressives, unless they are amazingly skilled politicians and are completely in step with their constituencies, like Tom Harkin in the senate or Peter DeFazio in the House, just cannot win in close swing districts, no matter how well our stances resonate with the public.  We have to deal with the fact that most of our candidates are just not as good at selling those stances to the public.

            ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

            by James Allen on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 12:06:01 AM PST

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            •  Then why bring it up? (2+ / 0-)
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              You:

              "well its a false equivalence because (0+ / 0-)

              I can't think of anyone as volatile or disgusting on our side as them"

              You:
              we'll nominate our versions of Todd Akin and Sharron Angle who will lose the general elections.

              Self-described political "centrists" believe the best policy is halfway between right and wrong. — @RBReich via web

              by BentLiberal on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 12:58:48 AM PST

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              •  because they'd still, if they won the primary, (0+ / 0-)

                lose the general.

                ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

                by James Allen on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 02:00:16 AM PST

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                •  Don't know until someone tries (0+ / 0-)

                  is your goal to simply keep someone from trying so the Democratic party will continue it's move to the right?

                  "The problem with posting quotes off the Internet is you never know if they're genuine."--Gen. George Washington at the Battle of Gettysburg, February 30, 1908

                  by Aspe4 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 05:38:35 AM PST

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            •  So teach progressive candidates how to win (2+ / 0-)
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              George Lakoff has written whole books about how to engage public opinion for progressive issues.

              •  Repugs Have No Problem Nominating Far Right (1+ / 0-)
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                candidates who often win. Many lose too but it's still worth a shot for the long game. How the hell did someone like Rick Santorum become a senator in a state that consistently votes for Democratic POTUS candidates?

                "The problem with posting quotes off the Internet is you never know if they're genuine."--Gen. George Washington at the Battle of Gettysburg, February 30, 1908

                by Aspe4 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 05:40:19 AM PST

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            •  Bullshit (3+ / 0-)
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              Chris Murphy
              Tammy Baldwin
              Sherrod Brown
              Elizabeth Warren

              And more just proved you wrong.  All came from swingish states or faced HUGE amounts of money or strong candidates, were unapologetic progressive and all kicked ass.  

              This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

              by DisNoir36 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 04:53:23 AM PST

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              •  they were not primary challengers (0+ / 0-)

                to incumbent Democrats.  How does that prove me wrong at all?

                ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

                by James Allen on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 04:08:18 PM PST

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        •  Sounds Like Concern Trolling. (1+ / 0-)
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          A lot of conservative Democrats like to use that tactic to equate liberal Dems as being like the tea party so that they'll shut up and stop asking the Dem leadership to shun conservative policies. The left wing of the Democratic party is in NO way like the tea party.

          "The problem with posting quotes off the Internet is you never know if they're genuine."--Gen. George Washington at the Battle of Gettysburg, February 30, 1908

          by Aspe4 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 05:37:20 AM PST

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      •  But unless those candidates are able (0+ / 0-)

        to also win the general, it won't matter what lesson was learned. It has been a GREAT thing for us that GOP incumbents have been losing primaries to upstarts. Why we would wish that same thing on ourselves is a mystery to me. Especially over one vote or cause. Suicidal nonsense.

    •  Exactly. Even if you don't win a primary challenge (3+ / 0-)
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      it gets the incumbent's attention.

      Anyhow, there are several examples of progressive senators from "purple" states who seem to be doing quite well - e.g. Sherrod Brown and Al Franken. Perhaps the right liberal would be able to beat the Reid machine and win Nevada in the general election.

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