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  •  Corporatocracy is taking over everything... (10+ / 0-)

    including public schools, DC legislators, State legislators, small town councils! (Chevron buying Richmond council members)   the Democratic Party, ....but as long as we have a two party system I will continue to strive to bring the Democratic Party into line with its constituents.    The CA Demcratic Party elite has been changing its rules & procedures over time to make small d democracy a little more difficult.   Our Progressive Caucus battles them continually and lose.

    We are in a battle for democracy.  We are losing, but most people just hide out and won't discuss it or look at it, much less fight for it.   Given a Corporate Media how do we get more people to wake up, educate themselves and fight for democracy and a future for life on earth?  

    Vultures Out: Voters In

    "I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong." Richard Feynman

    by leema on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 09:16:41 AM PST

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    •  Our gov't is completely owned by lobbyists. (7+ / 0-)

      They've been for sale for years---and we've been sold---as in: sold out by them.

      "Hey----Hey---NRA---How many kids have you killed today?"

      by lyvwyr101 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 09:24:26 AM PST

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    •  "Given a Corporate Media how do we..." (5+ / 0-)

      Take away the Corporate Media.

      Not the near-two-decades long fantasy of replacing it with the Internet. Which a moment's thought should show is a silly idea.

      Break up the de facto monopoly on what is discussed in the public space; on what narratives are offered and suppressed.

      One reason the blogosphere is vastly weaker politically than it should be is that we've failed -- this site included -- in making the end of the most powerful agitation/propaganda machine in history a reality.

      "The internet is just the tail of the Corporate Dog." used to be my signature, and for good reason.

      Until we routinely end up seeing, say, economic panels which have labor representatives and cleaning ladies on them... it doesn't really matter what battles we win. We will continue to lose the war. Guaranteed.

      The top bloggers on the left and mainstream have been grossly irresponsible, imo, by letting this obvious linchpin to the 1%'s rule go on while we just engage in relatively minor sniping, moaning, and mocking.

      And then we're surprised when the Media beats down real change and real discussion again. Which it has done for decades, every day, for years now.

      Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

      by Jim P on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 09:28:24 AM PST

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      •  Somebody just asked that yesterday (8+ / 0-)

        in Glenn Greenwald's question and answer session with his readers.  He said he gave up on the goal of trying to change the establishment media.  They are the establishment media and they will always serve the establishment.  Instead we have to keep working to use alternative media, alternative outlets.  There's been a lot of progress on that, in fact, during the past decade, almost entirely because of the internet and social media.

        Most kids don't watch TV or listen to the radio, from my experience with three teenagers and their friends.

        "Justice is a commodity"

        by joanneleon on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 09:39:55 AM PST

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        •  Well, Glenn shouldn't have given up. (2+ / 0-)
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          Though I understand and sympathize with any journalist's pressing need to have a steady income in whatever format they can get it. And of course, if you're too sane, you'll not get that on, say, CNN. Still...

          Say you need to get something vitally important into the general public's mind as quickly as possible.

          You have two routes offered to you:
          • You can twitter, youtube, facebook, and blog all day for a week.
          • You can appear on even a local market tv channel for a minute.

          Which would be your fastest way to get the idea out to the widest possible public?

          As to the Internet, the moment it's any kind of threat it disappears. See China, Syria, Iran, Egypt, etc etc etc. This is something we have under sufferance. The fact we still have it is the demonstration it's not regarded as a serious threat.

          (In my more paranoid moments, I remember that every electronic communication is monitored, then I remember Mao's 'let 100 flowers bloom' and what happened next.)

          Again, it's been useful to a degree, we've won a handful of battles because of it, but the War....? We've been losing it all along, since the first day the WWW was opened to the public through this moment.

          For 20 years of internet, the Gates not only remain uncrashed, they're falling on us.

          So how does this possibly change until we break up, or force entry into, the monopoly on narrative-making?

          Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

          by Jim P on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 10:02:42 AM PST

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          •  I recall seeing a comment (1+ / 0-)
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            during the past few days on emptywheel's web site.  One of her commenters said that her post on, I think it was HSBC, got shared 148,000 times.

            "Justice is a commodity"

            by joanneleon on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 10:05:42 AM PST

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            •  And then everyone got together and discussed (2+ / 0-)
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              it. Not.

              That's an impressive number. If some blogger had taken the money to buy tv air-time, if they could, to read off the Emptywheel piece, then we'd have something.

              The networks reached 300,000,000 people in a day with the "Dean Scream." and the Clinton scandal. Tomorrow morning if they want to broadcast that the President is a Martian, that will be the topic 300 million people will be talking about tomorrow night.

              On the internet, we in our liberal blog ghetto, the illuminati-ists in their wacko ghetto, and all of us unconnected and in unshared space will be busy rebutting or defending what we all have heard.

              "The Internet is the tail of the Corporate Dog" as my previous signature said. And for reason.

              btw, 148,000 is 0.00049% of 300,000,000. Internet/mass-reach media. Entirely different things.

              Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

              by Jim P on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 10:22:58 AM PST

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