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  •  How unsurprising (2+ / 0-)
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    Boreal Ecologist, jts327

    that Sparhawk would be all for dismantling democracy.
    Troll.

    +++ The law is a weapon used to bludgeon us peasants into submission. It is not to be applied to the monied elite.

    by cybersaur on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 04:41:42 PM PST

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    •  What democracy (2+ / 0-)
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      nextstep, Mikey

      Many other "democratic" systems that I'm sure you approve of do not allow even a single individual citizen to vote for the head of state (Canada, Britain, and more).

      The head of state is selected by the democratically-elected legislatures in these cases.

      These systems seem to get along just fine without being accused of being anti-democratic despotisms (Britain could do with a few less closed circuit television cameras, but I digress...).

      (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
      Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

      by Sparhawk on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 05:22:52 PM PST

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      •  Your ingorance is showing. (1+ / 0-)
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        cybersaur
        Many other "democratic" systems that I'm sure you approve of do not allow even a single individual citizen to vote for the head of state (Canada, Britain, and more).
        The bolded head of state is not elected at all. She is currently the hereditary Monarch known as Queen Elizabeth II. Maybe you should educate yourself a bit before making such statements.

        There are also a series of court cases that could blast these CD EC schemes. I haven't had time to read every word, but each is a precedent in "one man, one vote" decisions as applied to state imbalances and rather specifically to state efforts to weight the scales to rural voters.

        The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

        by pelagicray on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 12:09:00 AM PST

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        •  No, yours is (1+ / 0-)
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          nextstep

          The head of state in Britain in most ways that matter is the prime minister. The Queen or King has little real power, just a figurehead.

          (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
          Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

          by Sparhawk on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 03:24:19 AM PST

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          •  Wrong Answer. The parlimentary system separates (0+ / 0-)

            "head of state" from political. One advantage is the HOS, the sort of embodied flag, is focus of that national pride stuff while the legislative power, the prime minister, can be booted without some of the trauma we and others with both features wrapped in one body seem to face.

            That is the practical reality and the HOS for such countries is most definitely the monarch or elected official serving the function of HOS. By the way, on visiting, those prime ministers do not get the 21 gun salutes their HOS would, so you are just making excuses.

            The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

            by pelagicray on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 07:31:42 AM PST

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            •  Yes (1+ / 0-)
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              nextstep

              And in all cases, neither the monarch nor the Prime Minister is directly elected, which is what we are discussing here. Why you continue to muddy the waters with trivial irrelevancies is a mystery to me.

              (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
              Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

              by Sparhawk on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:02:52 AM PST

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              •  Because you mixed apples and oranges, with an (0+ / 0-)

                error, at the start?

                The particular problem of mixing both Head of State and elected political leader in systems such as ours is a recognized issue if you do your research. The pro is that our system, with a fixed term for both, provides stability. The con is that we are often stuck with either a completely ineffective or sometimes a corrupt political head for that reason and the reluctance of much of our population to see the embodiment of the State subject of "regicide." Yes, that is a foolish view, but a known factor in our extreme reluctance to use the impeachment process when rather well deserved.

                Enough. If you don't want to do some self education on the issues of the systems, the pros and cons and the factual blunder of including Britain in the first instance that is your problem.

                The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

                by pelagicray on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 09:07:39 AM PST

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