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  •  A good acting role isn't determined by (4+ / 0-)

    whether the character is admirable or not. Otherwise, Meryl Streep wouldn't have been nominated for Doubt, The Devil Wears Prada or The Iron Lady. Maya is the starring role in ZDT who pushes the action. Historically, that type of character has almost always been a man. For many if not most viewers, she's a heroine for finding Bin Laden. And in feminist terms, she's a groundbreaker in the CIA as was the real agent she's based on.

    Moreover, the character is analogous to Bigelow, who is the first woman to ever win the Oscar for Best Director. Because of that, she is admired as a role model by young women directors everywhere. Those who come to her defense in the film community do so because of that and her artistry as a filmmaker.  

    I never liked you and I always will.

    by Ray Blake on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 01:27:16 PM PST

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    •  You're kind of contradicting yourself (1+ / 0-)
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      by saying that the character does not have to be admirable in order to advance feminist issues and then saying that Maya is a heroine.  I'll set that aside because it's true that a character does not have to be admirable in order for it to be a good acting role or a good performance.  But that is not what I was arguing.

      I've read quite a bit about the real life agent she is based on. Of course the CIA will not officially even say whether or not she is based on one character or a composite.  But there are some documentary film makers who did a lot of research on her.  If what they uncovered is true, and based on the response they got from the CIA, it seems pretty likely that it is true, there is nothing heroic or admirable about that woman either.  Quite the opposite, in fact.

      I've done a lot of reading on the topic and the movie.  Recently I read yet another article which talks about the decade long search and the author made a convincing argument that "Maya" was only one of many, many people who contributed to finding bin Laden. For the sake of the silver screen, they had to compress this story, which is understandable.  


      "Justice is a commodity"

      by joanneleon on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 02:00:02 PM PST

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      •  Whether or not Maya is admirable or a heroine (2+ / 0-)
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        depends on the filmmakers' representation and viewer reception (as indicated in my post). Clearly, she's a heroine to Bigelow and Boal, albeit with flaws and self-doubt--the ending makes this clear. In the case of the real agent(s), she would probably be considered a hero to some, not to others, based on ideology alone. This is a Rashomon situation--you see what your politics tell you to see. It's spycraft, after all. By definition, it treads and often crosses a very narrow moral line. Was the hunt for Bin Laden worth it? That's a question the film asks and leaves up to us.  

        I never liked you and I always will.

        by Ray Blake on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 02:44:48 PM PST

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