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  •  I agree completely and what we are (2+ / 0-)
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    seeing is another version of "group think".  

    There's nothing new to this and the RW acting out is actually a long term derangement syndrome which is aided and abetted by the RW noise machine, i.e., FoxNoise, Limbaugh, et al.

    When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

    by msmacgyver on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 03:54:39 PM PST

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    •  How's chances this is an addiction ??? (1+ / 0-)
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      Exogenous paranoia raises blood pressure, heart beat, and gives an adrenalin rush.

      "Fight or flight" response.

      The effectiveness of Fox News with their viewers gets a link to other addictive behaviors. Is there a binge-withdrawal-anticipation cycle in play ???

      It's not methamphetamine.

      Not nicotine.

      Not sure what it is. Helluva tool for going after couch potatoes.

      "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

      by bontemps2012 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 03:29:59 AM PST

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      •  So much of FoxNoise propaganda is about (1+ / 0-)
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        presenting "news" in a soap opera format.  "News" becomes the same as the "stories" people watch...the new Dallas comes to mind.  

        If you've ever been hooked on a story line, you know that it is a kind of addiction.  

        When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

        by msmacgyver on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 04:16:47 AM PST

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        •  "Dallas" has continuing plot lines. (0+ / 0-)

          Same characters involved, same issues over series of episodes.

          Is that what they do at Fox News ?

          Is it possible to identify their plot threads ?

          I don't take cable television. $100-a-month to big business, plus not all that compatible with raising a 12-year old.

          The way to fight Fox news could be to take on their propaganda threads as paranoia-inducing trash. I'm doing work, now, on NRA and their claim that there's 2,500,000 home defenses a year.

          Try 1% of that -- 25,000 as an absolute outside maximum. The total for civilian justifiable homicides was 232 in 2010 and the most of that was small business responses to armed robberies.

          America is not a country under siege.

          We could get together volunteers and track what Fox News does with their main threads. Then track out the facts.

          They like spewing Big Lies.

          They deserve getting called out. In detail.

          "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

          by bontemps2012 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 09:22:45 AM PST

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          •  The Benghazi Story is a perfect (1+ / 0-)
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            example of one of FoxNoise's continuing plots.  It began with the "real" story of an attack on a US consulate and the deaths of Americans.  So far, so good, but...

            Almost immediately, Fox turned it into a cover up by the State Department and the Obama administration.  

            The "story" became so intense and apparently so believable that even Mitt Romney was ready to use it in the now famous debate in which the President and the moderator called him on his misinformation.

            The Behghazi Story is still being played out, especially by John McCain, who really does know better.

            When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

            by msmacgyver on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 04:53:19 PM PST

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            •  Yes, indeed. (1+ / 0-)
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              Our take on this is that there's a story due on Benghazi that nobody will touch with a 10-foot pole.

              Compare/contrast:

              Benghazi 2012
              - 2 actions
              - 2 fatalities, each action
              - No intel
              - No prior experience there with such an attack
              Beirut 1983
              - 4 actions, including Tyre a couple weeks later
              - 63,243,61,30 deaths and a shitload of injuries
              - Intel up the ass
              - They blew the embassy on Rue de Paris on April 18th and pancaked the front section top to bottom.
              - Come August 23rd the Marine Baracks got hit for 243 dead and there was no perimeter defense.
              - Embassies all over the middle East had been secured with truck-stopping arms and barriers -- 400-meter perimeters and safety drapes behind windows to survive 10-ton thermobaric attacks.
              Yeah, the Marines got hit with a 20-ton thermobaric. Liquid butane over PETN sitting on a marble slab. Lil Cousin to a nuke.

              Obama v. Reagan.

              Benghazi was like a Sunday car wreck. The second action was a damn accident when the two security guys walked right into the mob coming back from shooting up the consulate.

              Lebanon was idiot/fuckhead/Bevis&Butthead stupidity. Reagan was careless with his National Security Advisor shop. I knew McFarlane. Average. Big ambition, big voice, little ability.

              When Reagan promoted McFarlane after that bastard fucked up Beirut -- not setting up a combo operation forcing State and DoD to work together -- he deserved to get his ass kicked in 1984. Too bad the Dems nominated no-balls Mondale.

              Immediately after the bombings, Reagan's people cooked up Grenada and a faked "cancer" scare (a simple benign polyp) to distract public attention.

              We knew about thermobarics before the embassy got hit. Nobody believed us, despite getting them in-the-book "legal" for war games.

              There's a diary or two here. Largely ignored.

              "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

              by bontemps2012 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:38:58 PM PST

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              •  October 23rd. (0+ / 0-)

                I'm getting old. Didn't catch the blunder till I read it.

                "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

                by bontemps2012 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:41:49 PM PST

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              •  Excellent! (1+ / 0-)
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                The GOP uses their media to create scenarios which guide their willingly gullible listeners/viewers into believing absolute lies.

                FoxNoise was launched in 1996 and created by Roger Ailes, a Nixon operative.  He dreamed of having his very own Media Machine to promote GOPer lies and misinformation.  Limbaugh, et al, spread far right gibberish which distracts from GOP blunders and covers the obvious with distortions and biased silliness.

                When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

                by msmacgyver on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:37:45 PM PST

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                •  How many families of scenarios ?? (1+ / 0-)
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                  How many themes do they woirk ?

                  I'm guessing it's a traditional "Seven, Plus or Minus Two" solution.

                  Also, are there groups that monitor Fox News ?

                  Do you know anything about this?

                  "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

                  by bontemps2012 on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 04:17:33 AM PST

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