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  •  With the 9/11 attacks though, (2+ / 0-)
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    what name do you give?

    Not World Trade Center, because that diminishes the impact of the attack on the Pentagon and the crash of the plane in Pennsylvania. And I'd avoid any name that invoked Islam because we've already got a huge amount of Islamophobia in this country (and indeed, phobia of anyone who is "other").

    With tragedies, whether natural or human-caused, it's common to attach them to a name, whether a location (Loma Prieta, Jonestown) or the name of the disaster (Katrina, Sandy). 9/11 was so widespread that it makes more sense to use the date rather than a location.

    There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

    by Cali Scribe on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 10:00:25 AM PST

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    •  I actually say - The NY World Trade Center and (4+ / 0-)

      Pentagon attacks on September 11th, 2001.

      Honestly, the lack of specificity of 9/11 has made it more of a world terrorist day (see Benghazi among other attacks since) than a day to which we can point and say "we did something good in honor of those people's lives that were mercilessly taken".

      That tragedy was co-opted to lead us into a war under false premises; erode our Constitutional rights; undermine American democracy; to turn parts of our government on its citizens instead of on those who really threaten us; and to militarize our society.  I'd be totally pissed off if that had happened as a result of my death.

      DC and NYC are two of my hometowns.  That day was scary, difficult and sad as hell.  But the days, weeks, months and years afterward as I saw critical elements of our Constitutional rights dismantled were worse for me.  I am really tired of people who live in bum-f*ck-nowhere that a terrorist would ever bother to go telling me that giving up some of our most important democratic principles because a group of assholes attacked the United States.

      I hope a much more sane and reasonable conversation comes out of the massacre of those children.  I hope that our society looks for better solutions rather than devolving to the lowest common denominator or taking the easiest path.  The people lost out after the attacks on September 11th, 2001 - hopefully they won't lose out on this front, too.

    •  I guess the other thing about the (3+ / 0-)

      massacre of these children is that it was one in a succession of similar gun attacks where many people were randomly killed.  Do we take the dates of all of the most recent attacks and list them and do the dates give us any real sense of what happened?  

      The diary lists the towns of the other shootings above - if the diarist had just listed the dates of those shootings would you know what he was talking about?

      These are all local tragedies that add up to an ongoing national tragedy.

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