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  •  you realize this diary is comple fantasy, right? (3+ / 0-)
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    You guys in charge of dkos realize that you have someone totally going off the deep end of fantasy, just like the right wing conspiracy nuts do, and he's getting on the rec list pretty regularly now.  

    As I watch this, I kind of find it interesting, and somewhat exciting, in the realization that I'm in the middle of an honest-to-goodness science fiction-type reality.
    I grew up in a pentecostal church.  Flip who the villains are and add in evil spirits and in this diary you have the kind of revival sermon that has the base of the GOP so separated from reality that they don't even have the common sense to roll their eyes at the idea that the president faked his birth certificate.

    I thought for a moment this week that Ray was finding a more grounded footing, but I had a sinking feeling that it wouldn't last.  That he'd go back to this kind of fantasy, because this is where he wants to be.  He wants to live in his fantasy version of the world.  Just like people who believe Obama is the antichrist.  

    Well, whatever.  This isn't my site.  If you guys want to embrace the crazy it's your choice.  But it won't be a reality based community anymore than Fox News is news.

    Wouldn't you like to be a pepper too?

    by AntonBursch on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 03:14:31 PM PST

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    •  Welcome back, Anton. Looking forward to (2+ / 0-)
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      your thoughtful input, as always...

      •  i think you should learn to be self critical, Ray (1+ / 0-)
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        don't believe everything you think.  there are gaping holes in what you are saying.  they are plain as the holes in what birthers say.  you aren't seeing them, or you are ignoring them, because you are choosing to believe in what you want to be true.  

        i had a best friend in seminary who believed god revealed truths to him in the scriptures.  well, there were a lot of people like that in seminary.  but my friend really believed it.  of course, it wasn't true at all.  he was smart, but he'd think he'd figured something out and you couldn't argue with him about it, no matter how obviously wrong he was,  because he really just wanted to believe that it was true... and he really wanted to believe that he was special for having figured it out.  well, for having had a revelation from god.

        like you, he believed that he was going to open the eyes of the world to the truth.  he used to tell me that he didn't watch movies, because his life was more exciting than any movie.  he was living an adventure.  a fight for the future of humanity.  

        reading your diaries are like listening to a political version of what my friend would write about theology.  hell, last time I emailed with him he was talking about the thousand year long conspiracy to make the church look bad with all the crusades and inquisitions and whatnot.  

        and JUST LIKE YOU he believes that the media is conspiring to brain wash everyone.  and just like you, his confidence and his ability to pull together enough information to look like he knew what he was talking about would draw people to him.  

        and just like you, he found a community of people to reinforce his beliefs.  which you have found here on daily kos.

        but just because you find a lot of people to agree with what you are saying doesn't make you right.  it's a trap that a lot of preachers fall into.  it's a trap that a lot of politicians fall into.

        for example: "please proceed, Governor"

        you look forward to my thoughtful input?  i think you should read Karl Sagan's Demon Haunted World.  that's my thoughtful input.

        Wouldn't you like to be a pepper too?

        by AntonBursch on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 03:54:12 PM PST

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    •  Ray is a bit alarmist with his language, sometimes (8+ / 0-)

      But that doesn't mean he hasn't got a point to make.  Anyone who had access to the national media news before it became conglomerated can tell you it was a very different animal.

      As for brainwashing?  The national media is spending an increasing amount of time and energy on celebrity.  It's hard for me to find a good news magazine at the checkstand in the grocery store any more.  

      Why obsess on whether Beyonce lip synched for what - a week now?  There is news - plenty of it.  Amgen.  Not a word.  Bradley Manning?  I heard the tiniest snippet a couple weeks ago, and it bore little resemblence to what I hear here about the trial.

      Didn't hear about all the protests in Europe that have gone on for more than a few years now against austerity, until the people responded to violence with violence.  Then it was just violence from the people - no news whatsoever on the draconian police-state-like tactics of the governments.  Didn't hear about the massive, brutal, coordinated, inter-agency, inter-state crackdown on Occupy from the mainstream media.

      Brainwashing?  Maybe that's a strong word.  But the readers know what Ray is talking about.  It's a media the public trusts out of tradition and habit that is giving us a very skewed view of reality , and is far more invested in disinformation than truth.

      Sure, we deserve better.  More important is this:  a democracy cannot be maintained by an uninformed, disinformed populace.  And a populace of that description is the apparent goal of our mainstream media.  Observe.

      Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth - Abraham Lincoln

      by Gustogirl on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 06:59:43 PM PST

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    •  Huh? What is fantasy about the propaganda model? (6+ / 0-)

      From everything I've seen, the model that this article is based on is a fine predictor that makes perfect sense, and personally helped me out quite a bit during the run-up to the Iraq war.

      I'm open to proof; just prove to me how you come to that conclusion.

      "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton | http://ideaddicted.blogspot.com

      by jbeach on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 07:45:21 PM PST

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    •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

      That sort of dismissive outlook is exactly the type of resistance to truth propaganda intends to create. If you don't see it, then you've probably already bought it.  Maybe it was his use of the word Sci-Fi, but I must point out that at no point did he say that we were being brainwashed by chip implants or any such non-sense.  If you don't think language patterns, repitition, and the illusion of authority can be considered brain-washing then I don't know what is.  There is massive evidence that this is happening, and if you don't believe that these greedy corporate entities aren't in some way working together then I wonder about your critical thinking skills.  Also, to the Sci-Fi argument, this is a ways away, I'll grant you, but technologies to influence the brain through electro-magnetic waves are fact as of now, they just aren't practical yet.

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