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  •  knock it off (0+ / 0-)
    just like the 2nd Amendment is was a giveaway to the southern states to allow them to maintain their armed slave patrol militias.
    if you think any event/thing in our country's history boils down to one single issue, i've got a bridge in brooklyn that might interest you.

    the patrols were but part of the calculus; read the writings of the founding fathers on the subject.

    Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

    by Cedwyn on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 07:41:13 AM PST

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    •  It's rare, but slavery is indeed one of those. (2+ / 0-)
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      It's hard to find anything where slavery didn't weigh heavily. Annex TX? Slavery is a huge issue. Northwest Ordinance? Same.  Every admission of a state, every presidential election, all had slavery as an issue.  And then that war.

      That's not even "gun control". It's more like "massacre control".

      by Inland on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 09:13:13 AM PST

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      •  none of that makes it valid (0+ / 0-)

        to say that the only reason the second exists was slave patrols.  this debate is way too important for muddied waters.

        Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

        by Cedwyn on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 10:56:26 AM PST

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        •  There were also Indians, but slaves wre (0+ / 0-)

          a huge part of it.  A restriction by the Feds on arms would have hugely differing effect on a SC than a RI.   Because one had a huge angry population kept in place by a militia.

          The second was to protect states in precarious positions from that sort of pressure.  It's a state power provision.

          That's not even "gun control". It's more like "massacre control".

          by Inland on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 12:16:54 PM PST

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          •  they wrote extensively (0+ / 0-)

            about other reasons; their original writings are very illuminating.

            Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

            by Cedwyn on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 01:17:26 PM PST

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            •  Well, if there's a document that's not (0+ / 0-)

              tainted with slavery, it's not the constitution.  The second is about state  militias and militias were concerned with slave rebellion.  

              That's not even "gun control". It's more like "massacre control".

              by Inland on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 02:28:29 PM PST

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