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  •  There's only one "Stan the Man" (0+ / 0-)

    and that is Stan motherfucking LEE. He contributed a lot more to the world than playing a game for a living. He created a pantheon of legendary characters that have inspired countless millions and revived a moribund genre and made it not only relevant but into a powerhouse that is still gaining momentum today. Without Stan, superheroes might have become a quaint historical curiosity instead of the cultural juggernaut they are.

    If you've ever watched a superhero movie, or been inspired by comics or cartoons about them as a child, or participated in the fandom, you've been a guest in the house that Stan Lee built.

    "Is there anybody listening? Is there anyone who sees what's going on? Read between the lines, criticize the words they're selling. Think for yourself, and feel the walls become sand beneath your feet." --Geoff Tate, Queensryche

    by DarthMeow504 on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 01:29:41 PM PST

    •  I love Stan Lee, too, but you're wrong... (0+ / 0-)

      ..and there's no need to tear down one Stan to praise another.

      First of all, comics and pro sports are both forms of entertainment. Both bring enjoyment to a lot of people, but it's silly to say that someone who excels in comics somehow makes a greater contribution to society than someone who excels in sports, or vice-versa. For every comic fan who's been inspired by a superhero, you can find a sports fan who's gotten similar inspiration from an athlete. The reverse is equally true. And to keep things in perspective here, while both Stans have entertained and perhaps inspired millions of fans, neither one has cured cancer, ended hunger, or brought about world peace.

      Second, Musial had the nickname "The Man" long before Stan Lee became well-known. Lee acknowledged that last week while paying tribute to Musial on Twitter.

      Lastly, while Stan Lee deserves credit for coming up with a different take on super-powered comic book heroes, he did not invent the concept of superheroes, nor did he create all those Marvel characters by himself.  (And some, most notably Captain America, the Sub-Mariner and the original Human Torch, were created entirely by others.)

      Lee is a clever and charming fellow, a fine storyteller, and a terrific salesman, but without the work of co-creators such as Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko, the Marvel characters would not be the ones we know today.  Again, this is something that Lee himself has acknowledged, and it's reflected legally in the credits for all the various Marvel movies, comics & other properties.

      •  Well if Mr Lee is cool with it (0+ / 0-)

        ...then I am as well.

        However, I will argue to my dying breath that a creative person, a storyteller who contributes to the common mythos of society, is vastly more important than an athlete especially one in a team sport.

        And it's not because I'm not a baseball fan, though admittedly I'm not. As a New Orleans native, I bleed black and gold and love my Saints but I have no illusions that any player is special simply for what they do on the field. Yes, they have a talent and they entertain people with that talent, but they don't create anything. The world is no different for them having been in it. You can erase any player or group of players from history and little would truly change. One name would be swapped for another, maybe some sports records numbers would be changed, but beyond that these men are interchangeable from a broader perspective. Honestly, I think we idolize athletes too much in our society, and that includes my favorites as well as yours.

        A creator like Stan Lee, however, has personally contributed something to our society that will last many years after he is no longer with us. Stories, characters, myths and legends are the lifeblood of a culture. Art is life. The direct contribution to so many dreams is beyond the ability to underestimate.

        And I believe you do underestimate Mr Lee's contribution. He worked with artists who contributed visual design work, but the common element in all those creations is Lee himself. He's a modest man who doesn't prefer to brag or fail to credit the talent of the artists he's worked with, but he is clearly the creative mind that brought these characters to life. The Marvel Universe wouldn't exist without him, period.

        And without Marvel, superheroes are almost certain to have died out. They failed more than once, you know. Between the Golden and Silver Ages, superheroes vanished from comic shelves. That is well known in fandom circles, of course, but what you might not know is that DC failed again prior to the acquisition by Warner Brothers, and actually approached Marvel to license their characters to Marvel! The mind boggles at the missed opportunity to combine those two epic universes, but there's little doubt that DC would have gone out of business without Marvel keeping the industry afloat. Marvel sales kept the comic shops in business, expanded the fandom, and basically created the entire market of over-12 comic book superhero readers.

        We all owe Stan Lee a debt that can never be repaid.

        "Is there anybody listening? Is there anyone who sees what's going on? Read between the lines, criticize the words they're selling. Think for yourself, and feel the walls become sand beneath your feet." --Geoff Tate, Queensryche

        by DarthMeow504 on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 03:08:19 PM PST

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