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  •  How long until lots of businesses (6+ / 0-)

    start implementing a "no guns in our establishment" policy? Surely some will start to worry about keeping customers. I would absolutely no longer go to a restaurant or other establishment where masses of customers were carrying.

    And how long after that until the NRA starts pushing legislation taking away the right of business owners on private property to make their own decisions about whether they welcome guns? It's not about freedom or liberty. But everyone here already knows that.

    •  Some already do -- and the more of these incidents (2+ / 0-)
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      Leap Year, lyvwyr101

      that take place (including the ignorant gomers who strut into places like Walmart and JC Penney with their boomsticks slung over their shoulders just to show off) the more likely it is that businesses will choose to keep them out.

      Business have to weigh many things in decisions like these, including the likelihood guarantee that they'll be sued for millions either way if something goes down. But while we tend to react with shock, horror or laughter at morons like this Popeil Pocket Pistol Packer - my guess is that he and his ilk are self-inflicting a lot of damage to the public carry movement.

      My sense is that larger chain establishments / retailers / restaurants will probably choose to stay weapon-free... although the smaller regionals may weigh the risk vs rewards differently.  

      Fox News: "Fare Unbalanced."

      by here4tehbeer on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 10:08:31 PM PST

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      •  I haven't kept close tabs (2+ / 0-)
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        on all the various open carry, concealed carry etc. laws by state, but I'm in Texas, where people love their guns. Not quite as rabidly as Arizona, but still.

        A quick look at Wikipedia:

        "Opt-Out" statutes ("gun-free zones")
        Arizona, Arkansas, Connecticut, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, and Wisconsin all allow private businesses to post a specific sign (language and format vary by state) prohibiting concealed carry, violation of which, in some of these states, is grounds for revocation of the offender's concealed carry permit. By posting the signs, businesses create areas where it is illegal to carry a concealed handgun similar to regulations concerning schools, hospitals, and public gatherings. In addition to signage, virtually all jurisdictions allow some form of oral communication by the lawful owner or controller of the property that a person is not welcome and should leave. This notice can be given to anyone for any reason (except for statuses that are protected by the Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964 and other CRAs, such as race), including due to the carrying of firearms by that person, and refusal to heed such a request to leave may constitute trespassing. In some jurisdictions trespass by a person carrying a firearm may have more severe penalties than "simple" trespass, while in other jurisdictions, penalties are lower than for trespass.
        Gun-free zones??? According to the NRA, that's a dirty word. So yeah, I'd expect them to challenge these laws at some point. Good luck with that.

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