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  •  Gosh. I've said it so many times I feel (2+ / 0-)
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    like a broken record.

    Today's version of the Civil Rights movement to address the Class, Terror and Climate Wars will have to be much, much bigger and much more unrelenting and sustained. And it will have to be well organized.

    Picture 3 million or more flooding the streets, squares and parks of D.C. every day and proclaiming a specific set of demands involving election reform, legislative reform, ethics reform, financial sector reform and a 15-year plan for a war effort on Climate Change, and not leaving until they have happened.

    Think of the organization, planning, logistics and infrastructure that would be necessary. Think of the message control.

    Frankly, it's either going to be that or it will be violence, either from right-wing militias or the eco-terrorist types (eco here referring to economics and/or or ecology).

    I realize this sounds virtually impossible, but the traditional approach has proven insanely ineffective now for a couple decade.

    I also realize that plenty can go wrong with this approach as well, but if the alternative is something we know will not work on any time-frame that matters, what are we waiting for? Superman?

    The Class, Terror and Climate Wars are indivisible and the short-term outcome will affect the planet for centuries. -WiA "When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill..." - PhilJD

    by Words In Action on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 09:59:16 AM PST

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    •  The powers will shut it down (1+ / 0-)
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      They have the will and the means. OWS was a trial run. They're ready for this, even welcome it. We're not going to have real change come through rallies OR violence. We have to elect more progressives, period. That's the only way this works. I'm not about to give up on the system. Not on this site especially.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 05:16:15 PM PST

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      •  OWS was way too small and disorganized. (0+ / 0-)

        Early on, at the peak, there were still well under a 100,000, and never that for more than a day or two, in NYC.

        In D.C., we never had more than about 10,000 in the two camps, and it quickly settled down to 1-2K, on weekends.

        3 Million in one place is NOTHING they are prepared to shut down.

        The Class, Terror and Climate Wars are indivisible and the short-term outcome will affect the planet for centuries. -WiA "When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill..." - PhilJD

        by Words In Action on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 07:15:19 AM PST

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      •  Elections and letter-writing are minimums. (0+ / 0-)

        You participate in them merely to avoid the worst of two ineffective options. No matter how many Democrats you elect, they will always be able to flip enough to protect themselves on the most important votes.

        You won't avoid the worst effects of Climate Change if you rely on them solely. Maybe that's enough for you, but not for me.

        The Class, Terror and Climate Wars are indivisible and the short-term outcome will affect the planet for centuries. -WiA "When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill..." - PhilJD

        by Words In Action on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 07:19:05 AM PST

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        •  Agreed that formal participation (0+ / 0-)

          in the democratic process isn't enough, e.g. voting and petitions, and that we need protests, rallies, legitimate acts of civil disobedience, etc. But ultimately, there's only one way that lasting structural change happens in the US, and that's through the political process, where laws are made and unmade. All efforts to effect change, whether within or outside the formal political process, must ultimately be directed towards this end. Which requires participation in that process. So while it's necessary to push the leaders we have to do the right thing, it's also necessary to elect better leaders and get rid of bad ones.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 07:40:15 AM PST

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          •  No argument there. The exceptional case I refer to (0+ / 0-)

            is Climate Change, which cannot wait for normal, glacial political change, especially since it is the direct result of Class War, which is raging as hot as ever and also seemingly impervious to ant winds of political change.

            The Class, Terror and Climate Wars are indivisible and the short-term outcome will affect the planet for centuries. -WiA "When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill..." - PhilJD

            by Words In Action on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:30:45 AM PST

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            •  Unfortunately (0+ / 0-)

              Normal political change is literally the only way we can deal adequately with climate change, since the only people who can do that happen to be the ones in power. Hopefully, though, it won't be glacial. There are certainly precedents for that, e.g. getting Obama to do a rapid turnaround on gay rights, or getting out of Iraq. Not all political change need be glacial, but all structural change needs to go through the political process. There is literally no other way to force polluters to stop polluting and take whatever other measures we need to properly fix this. So we have to bring extraordinary pressure to bear on politicians, and replace the most difficult ones with better ones.

              "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

              by kovie on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 09:08:04 AM PST

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