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  •  i am thinking (19+ / 0-)

    of adopting a wild caught bird .....big decision for us.
    but he's from a Parrot Rescue Group here in NJ.
    he's a goffin cockatoo, like Potus.
    very shy. very quiet.
    my heart breaks for him.
    he can't go back to the wild anymore...and even though he is safe the resecue group and is loved, he needs to be free as much as possible.
    i know we can give him that.
    our goffin has it made - maximum freedom, full wing spaln....but i'm afraid to bring another bird in because of the our own goffin.

    We consume the carcasses of creatures of like appetites, passions and organs with our own, and fill the slaughterhouses daily with screams of pain and fear. Robert Louis Stevenson

    by Christin on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 07:32:32 AM PST

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    •  It is very tough to introduce a new bird of the (18+ / 0-)

      same species into a household.  If they don't like each other, it can be tragic; if they do like each other they will often bond tighter to each other than to their humans.  But sometimes it works and you can have two good birds who remain companions with you and are happy together as well.  

      •  i have been grappling with this for a six months. (15+ / 0-)

        exhausted myself reading up on it.  yes. no. yes. no. yes. no. yes. no.
        scared of the problems we could cause.
        thrilled to give a rescue a home and maybe Potus a friend.
        terrified the opposite would happen.
        but do you think it would better to bring a non gofflin in if we go yes?

        We consume the carcasses of creatures of like appetites, passions and organs with our own, and fill the slaughterhouses daily with screams of pain and fear. Robert Louis Stevenson

        by Christin on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 07:41:06 AM PST

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        •  I don't know enough about the big elements of (17+ / 0-)

          the decision to offer good advice - I don't know cockatoos, don't have experience of introducing birds of the same species (though a friend has, and had both problems and successes), and don't know enough about the temperament of wild-caught birds.  (That is the exception for having a wild-caught bird - adopting a rescue.  The damage has been done at that point - the most important thing is finding them a good home if they can't go back to the wild.)

        •  Would the shelter be willing to take the bird (14+ / 0-)

          back if it doesn't work out? That way, you could try it, without much risk.

        •  I have a friend with a couple... (12+ / 0-)

          of wild-caught parrots, both rescues.  One is a mitred conure, the other a nanday.

          Although the mitred is hand-tamed, there is a huge difference in behavior and trust.  Mitred conures are similar to cherry-heads, but much much larger.

          The nanday, it's similar.  She is hand-tamed, however the behavior is slightly not trusting.

          Christin, just think hard and long.

          First - quarantine is really important.  I don't look at quarantine as bad, but a period of time where you get one on one and bonding time.  But it's hard, because then you are torn between responsibilities.  to the existing (and demanding Potus) and the new bird.  Double the work and double the amount of quality time you need to spend with each.

          Please remember, no matter how well kept any org or rescue is, you must must quarantine.

          umm... and even in quarantine they will know of each other's existence... and that will mean possibly calling (screaming) to each other.

          I don't want to discourage you!!  coz you and your S/O are good parrot parents!  and there are so many that do need homes.  But think think think this through.  And if you do go ahead PLAN.  Plan on how you will set up quarantine.

          Take the time to let any bird you take to bond to YOU and to get to know you without the interference of another.  If they bond to you, it will be easier in the long run to manage the flock, even if they wind up becoming bonded to each other.

          PS - I have an ever-growing pile of things I wanna send you!!!!!  Like books and magazines that outline all of this.

          :)

          All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

          by kishik on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 10:39:54 AM PST

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          •  Was just thinking of one more important element (9+ / 0-)

            I don't know if it's good or bad that they're both males - also don't know if they're sexually mature?  It would be a really good issue to discuss with someone who knows the species well - some are more aggressive than others when mating season.

            kishik raises an important point about quarantine, and you'll need to plan it carefully since POTUS is free-flying.  

            •  It's hard to figure... (10+ / 0-)

              what turns a bird on when it comes to the opposite sex!  Despite my mixed crew, the moustache keet, for example loved Sunny, but also was always smitten with the sassy female green cheek conure.  My red belly parrot is female, she's not attached to any bird.  She is totally attached to me! ;-)

              The green female cheek conure is paired with a male green cheek conure - but she's also firmly bonded to me.  If I ask her to come, she'll drop the male GCC like a hot potato and come running to me!  LOL

              With my cockatiel flock, I had only one male in the bunch - he was bonded firmly with who he chose as his mate, even though there were two other available females.  His offspring, female, he preened, but was not interested in as a mate.

              When he flew over the bridge, a month later, his mate went to follow.  They were very bonded, however they also loved their human mom who gave them all sorts of good scritches and treats.

              Quarantine is a good time to establish the parrot/human relationshi through that one on one interaction.  It's as important as the prevention of spreading any disease reason.

              And I can't remember if Christin got Potus sexed?

              All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

              by kishik on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 10:59:18 AM PST

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              •  At least one comment referred to him as "he" (5+ / 0-)

                ... but don't know if they actually had him sexed or were relying on other info.  ?

                •  I seem to remember... (6+ / 0-)

                  that they weren't quite sure?  But not sure if she did go and get him sexed.  With the smaller birds, it's not long before you know by behavior.  With the second GCC, I did wind up having blood drawn for a sex test at the first vet visit - I thought he was a she... he was a he.  ;-)

                  But with the larger birds that develop more slowly sexually, you may not see signs until years later... or until there's an egg!  

                  All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

                  by kishik on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 12:53:43 PM PST

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                  •  our vet os an avian expert (3+ / 0-)
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                    He said he was 99percent sure potus was a he.....
                    But if we wanted, he would sex him.
                    We said we think about it.
                    Oh I just can't do kos on tablet without keyboard.

                    We consume the carcasses of creatures of like appetites, passions and organs with our own, and fill the slaughterhouses daily with screams of pain and fear. Robert Louis Stevenson

                    by Christin on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 07:59:55 PM PST

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                    •  Sooo... (3+ / 0-)
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                      He'll get the first egg laid?

                      Heh heh... Only kidding!

                      ;-)

                      But... It is something you do need to think about... This is something I do not have experience with.  All of the male parrots I have are/were solos of their species in my home... So I have never had two within the same species.  i don't know how they would be.  With multiple females,  haven't had any issues.

                      The other thing you do need to think about... How it would be to have a male/male pairing.... Female/female pairing (if your vet is 1% wrong!) or if they are male/female, do also expect that there could be a mate bond formed even if not the same species.  They may not mate, but that sort of relationship can form.

                      Keep in mind, too, because I know Potus has not yet reached that age, is that parrots are highly sexual creatures.  During season, their attitudes can change (territorial...nesting behavior)

                      All things to consider that may cause things to be doubly charged if you have TWO!

                      All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

                      by kishik on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 09:08:29 PM PST

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                      •  wrote a reply to this. (2+ / 0-)
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                        it's gone.
                        sigh.

                        We consume the carcasses of creatures of like appetites, passions and organs with our own, and fill the slaughterhouses daily with screams of pain and fear. Robert Louis Stevenson

                        by Christin on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 03:10:08 PM PST

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                        •  well... (2+ / 0-)
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                          just read what I wrote... and consider everything!!

                          :D

                          All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

                          by kishik on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 03:53:59 PM PST

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                          •  i did (2+ / 0-)
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                            Wrote  a long reply at work... on real keyboard.
                            Now sitting next to so with damn tablet again.
                            I love my surface tablet so much.
                            But not to type on without its keyboard.
                            Takes me so damn long.

                            Someone at work asked if I could take parakeets ....oldvwoman died and left behind two tiles and paras.
                             Sigh,..tiels found home,

                            We consume the carcasses of creatures of like appetites, passions and organs with our own, and fill the slaughterhouses daily with screams of pain and fear. Robert Louis Stevenson

                            by Christin on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 07:44:44 PM PST

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                          •  Okay (2+ / 0-)
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                            Budgies.  Great little parrot. But are they handtame? Were they handfed?!

                            And with the pooties you will not be able to let them fly about. This will mean another cage to clean daily. And constant chatter.

                            All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

                            by kishik on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 09:52:57 PM PST

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                          •  not sure what they are. i told her to find out. (2+ / 0-)
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                            dont' know anything about them.
                            she did not say anything to daday.
                            oh pooties never near POTUS! ever ever.
                            funny because budgies is what i wanted.
                            went to petco.
                            told lady i want little bird that sings. two of them so they are not lonely.
                            somehow wound up at birdhouse where they sell parrots.
                            and potus came to be.

                            i like the chatter they make.
                            you ever have any?
                             

                            We consume the carcasses of creatures of like appetites, passions and organs with our own, and fill the slaughterhouses daily with screams of pain and fear. Robert Louis Stevenson

                            by Christin on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 11:43:23 AM PST

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                          •  no... (2+ / 0-)
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                            They are cute cute cute, though!!!

                            and are big parrots in tiny bodies.

                            But best if they are handfed.

                            And if you think puppy mills are bad, budgie mills are even worst.  They are the throwaway parrot. Most in homes don't live long.  :(

                            But they also don't sing.  If you want sweet sounds you need a canary!!!  LOL  Budgies are parrots through and through.  They shriek and scream and chatter incessantly when you don't want them to.  ;-)  BUT - budgies also can learn to talk.  Honest.  :)  And maybe sing songs, too.

                            All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

                            by kishik on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 03:20:32 PM PST

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                          •  oh yeah! you are right..duh. (2+ / 0-)
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                            they dont' sing
                            but i like their little chatter. odd.

                            :-( i know so many people buy them. they are so cheap and that is so so so so bad.
                            they get stuck in tiny cages. and forgotten or worse.
                            that's why i dont' want these little guys to hurt if they need a home.
                            and it hurts that their human died.
                            that just hurts a lot.
                            and they don't know.
                            i'm so glad the neighbor is taking the two tiels.
                            younger guy who knew woman...and visited her a lot and kept her company. so i heard he knows the birds.
                            they will be ok with him.

                            i am so bummed about your goffin warning --- how POTUS might think it's a mate. no wonder most people have two entirely different kinds of parrots.

                            john had a little budgie when he was a child.
                            PeePee the parrot. having it damaged him for many years.
                            it flew out window and he was devastated.
                            he still remembers running through neighborhood chasing Peepee and crying.
                            even then he so soft and sweet.

                            Not liking DK today. at all.

                            We consume the carcasses of creatures of like appetites, passions and organs with our own, and fill the slaughterhouses daily with screams of pain and fear. Robert Louis Stevenson

                            by Christin on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 04:40:37 PM PST

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                          •  oh... poor PeePee!! (1+ / 0-)
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                            there was one time I spotted a budgie at the feeders.  That was years ago and only once.  I hope it found a safe place.

                            :(

                            Okay - you do have to remember, ANY parrot pairing regardless of species can wind up that they bond more closely to one another than to their humans.

                            But important steps I have learned really is that quarantine bonding period.  Make them more attached to the human to some sense... but still they can be attached and bonded to their bird companion, too!  It can be done.

                            also the worst time will be when it's egg-making season.

                            Potus hasn't yet reached sexual maturity, right?  With my smaller parrot, the moustache - which is the largest in my flock, he hit sexual maturity at 4 years old.  That year was pretty tough in regard to handling him.  It was almost like it was the first surge of hormones made him turn back into biter!!  Then he'd feel bad and want to come out and just be nice (I still can't touch him, but his being nice is hanging out and talking to me.  :)  ) and then he'd turn back around and guard whatever it was he had chosen as ... well what he thought needed to be protected!  So he didn't even have _ a mate.  He just had toys that he decided were his mate.

                            So this would start around March-April... and last until about July-August.  The protective reaction occurred for the next three years or so before he finally kinda calmed down during that period of time.  He still gets a little tetchy around egg-making time, but not as bad as the first four years.  

                            Oh - and the rest of the year outside of those times he was back to his old self!

                            So keep in mind what Potus has NOT yet gone through.

                            Budgies also sometimes get mites that hit their beaks.  If you _do take these guys in, remember to vet them before you bring them anywhere near Potus space.

                            I am totally weaning myself off of anything other than certain diary series and communities here.  I cannot deal with the bs...

                            I made up the IDGAS!!  LOL  did you like it??  It was exactly how i felt at that moment (and kinda still do)

                            They miss the point entirely.  If it isn't gun discussions that brings out the worst in people, what will be the next topic that will?  Everyone is blaming the gun debate in this - and not on the behavior (repeated) of a few.  can't stand it anymore.

                            All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

                            by kishik on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 05:05:19 PM PST

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                          •  I am happy that both of you still find this (0+ / 0-)

                            part of the site worth hanging out in for a while.  

                            Even when the place is going through one of those rough stretches, refuge can be found in some of the community diaries.  

                            Carry on...

                            (ps - budgies are awesome.  We birdsat for a pair on and off for years.  Great little guys.)

          •  geez (3+ / 0-)
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            You are so incredible.
            I learned so much from you.
            And still do.
            Before I was on my keyboard...now on tablet so in caveman mode. Takes me so long to type even this.
            ♥ so much.

            We consume the carcasses of creatures of like appetites, passions and organs with our own, and fill the slaughterhouses daily with screams of pain and fear. Robert Louis Stevenson

            by Christin on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 07:56:35 PM PST

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