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  •  The open source community has utopian ideals (7+ / 0-)

    that don't necessarily mesh with practical, let alone political reality.  They provide an important option, but the belief that it's always the best option is pure ideology.  These tools should not merely remain proprietary, but secret (i.e., no patents that could be stolen from some office laptop - just hide the shit out of it).

    Pour yourself into the future.

    by Troubadour on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 11:48:35 PM PST

    •  According to the article (12+ / 0-)

      The developers' primary concern is that OFA doesn't want these tools to be used to help other Dems get elected in the midterms.

      That's a big red flag.  We have a real problem here when OFA is working at cross purposes with the DNC.  That should never be allowed to happen. Ever.  It doesn't help anyone.

      There's also this issue


      If the code OFA built was put on ice at the DNC until 2016, it would become effectively worthless. "None of that will be useful in four years, technology moves too fast," said Ryan. "But if our work was open and people were forking it and improving it all the time, then it keeps up with changes as we go."
      Why not let them continue to improve if by allowing them to use it for the 2014 races?

      Lesson to developers - work with DNC, not OFA.  OFA is a private brand.

      Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

      by Betty Pinson on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 08:20:36 AM PST

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      •  Although I couldn't find a specific statement (4+ / 0-)
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        that "OFA doesn't want these tools to be used to help other Democrats get elected in the midterms", I realize that it would amount to the same thing if these tools aren't in fact used. And I strongly agree that they  should be used for 2014. (I may have missed something in both the article and the links.)

      •  Smells like reincarnation of the damned DLC (2+ / 0-)
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        same shit, different label.

        Otherwise, why all the secrecy and working at cross-purposes with the DNC?  That dog's not hunting.

        "Washington, DC: Where Corruption is Rewarded, and Ethical Merit is DESPISED.

        by The Truth on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 03:21:08 PM PST

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        •  Huh? (0+ / 0-)

          It's an extension of Obama for America.  And working in OFA on healthcare reform in 2009-2010, we had Democratic members of Congress such as Chet Edwards, a moderate Democrat in Waco, complain to the DNC about OFA calling supporters in his district to urge Chet to support health care reform.  As a result, we were told to stop.

          So please stop with the DLC BS.  If we are part of the DNC, it is the moderates and blue dogs who will try to get in our way.  That is what happened before.

          Barack Obama for President '12

          by v2aggie2 on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 05:33:47 PM PST

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    •  Open source covers a wide spectrum (2+ / 0-)
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      Not all who work in open source are idealists. Many open source projects exist for practical reasons. In the other sciences, it is generally recognized that peer review leads to higher quality science. In computer science, for some reason, some people think that secrecy will produce better results. That is more akin to alchemy than science.

      The idea that any sorts of information tools can possibly remain secret for any extended period is a bit naive. "Information wants to be free" is not an ideological statement, it is merely an observation couched in anthropomorphic terms.

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