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  •  What is wrong with youth shooting sports? (4+ / 0-)

    Teaching kids to safely and responsibly handle firearms can only help, from a safety standpoint. Make weapons a commonality with a burden of responsibility attached, and you remove the alluring taboo that leads to so many children seeking them out and accidentally harming themselves.

    •  Personally, I don't think it is appropriate (4+ / 0-)

      for everybody - which is what these nuts are proposing - it would have been really great had Adam Lanza's Mother not opted to teach her son how to shoot, for instance.

      •  True, (2+ / 0-)
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        But imagine all the hundreds of children's deaths that may have been prevented had those children known:

        1. That guns aren't toys
        2. Not to point guns at anything they didn't want to shoot

        These are the two tennants first imparted on anyone learning to handle fire arms, at any age.

        To your point about this not being for everyone, I agree. But everyone in a home with a firearm needs to teach their children not to play with it- in a way that doesn't simply shroud it in the allure of taboo.

        •  I have never handled a firearm beyond (4+ / 0-)

          a water pistol.  I have always known since I was very young that guns are not toys which is exactly why my parents made the firm decision not to allow me to have either a toy gun or a real gun when I was a kid.  My father went to military school, was in the Reserves and is completely versed in all things guns.  We never had a gun in our house.  My father who was for most of his life a wiry man of only 5'10" took down a man who had broken into our house who was 6'4"  and probably outweighed him by 100lbs by using his wrestling training and bending the man's thumbs back - forcing the man out the front door.  You don't need a gun to protect yourself.  I didn't need to learn how to handle guns.  And the single worst experience of my life when I was violently attacked by a group of people thankfully did not involve a gun because had there been one, I am sure I would have been dead or at least wounded by gun fire.  In that case, it was me and then help from a dog that got me out with my life - someone was trying to cut my throat.  Had I had a gun - I would have lost possession of it very shortly into the attack.

          I would strongly oppose a universal mandate for every kid in America to learn about guns as proposed above.  It is a bullshit idea for a multitude of reasons Adam Lanza being one of them.

          •  I agree. (0+ / 0-)

            And what's wrong with teaching kids to play the piano--instead?

            And yes--I'm being humorous--here---but anything that teaches---perseverence---the value of practice and excellent hand to eye coordination---would teach the same skills---wouldn't it?  

            Does it have to be guns?

            There are so many things our young people could be taught---why guns and shooting skills?

            If a public place is the scene of a sudden piano recital  I 'm sure everyone will survive.

            "Hey----Hey---NRA---How many kids have you killed today?"

            by lyvwyr101 on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 02:28:10 PM PST

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        •  In the perfect black and white world maybe. (1+ / 0-)
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          When I was a kid, my best friend's father was a hunter. Taught his kid how to shoot and respect firearms at an early age. But being a kid, that is, a boy of 12 or so, he couldn't help but figure out how the open his father's gun safe (by watching his father do it) and then show his friends all the neat guns. I can remember the situation as being less than safe. "It's not loaded" was then and is a common, and all too often, fatal assumption made by both the young and the old.

          Nothing happened that day, but...

          As an adult gun owner with teenaged children running around, you have absolutely no idea what they're doing when you're not there.

          Physics is bulls**t. Don't let them fool you. Fire IS magic.

          by Pescadero Bill on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 09:32:32 AM PST

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        •  But arms manufacturers are selling them as toys (5+ / 0-)

          I am all for firearms education that teaches young people to show appropriate respect for firearms.  The problem, as revealed by the NYT article, is that the arms industry and its front groups are, under the guise of "firearms education" promoting a culture in which young people are being encouraged to view guns as toys.  I would love to see traditional gun owners take on the "guns as toys" culture being promoted by the arms industry.

          •  Hell, I'd love to see it even on DKos, but it (2+ / 0-)
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            ain't ever going to happen that way with folks of a certain mindset.

            My family in the fifties were hunters top to bottom, and we still had a rule that no one even touched a gun under the age of 12. After that, proper gun safety training, etc. And then, even with this sort of background and commitment, one of the adults accidently fired a high powered rifle in the middle of our hunting camp.

            After that, all of the rules got alot stricter.

            There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

            by oldpotsmuggler on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 01:33:05 PM PST

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    •  Because some things are just too dangerous. (0+ / 0-)

      We don't permit the sale of alchohol to minors, because we acknowledge that most minors lack the maturity to handle drinking.  (Something which is also true of many adults.)

      Guns are extremely, extremely dangerous, and the consequences of a mistake or a moment of inattention can quite literally be fatal.  Putting deadly weapons into the hands of children just isn't a good idea.  We've seen how many tragedies occur because of the failure of adults to handle guns properly.  Adding to those numbers by having kids play with devices that are designed to kill human beings simply doesn't make sense.

      "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

      by FogCityJohn on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 02:27:58 PM PST

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      •  Making weapons a forbidden object of power (0+ / 0-)

        is not the solution.

        If weapons are in the house, children need to be educated. Very early. They need to know how to handle a weapon responsibly and how NOT to handle a weapon.

        Allowing children supervised access to a firearm, and imparting the burden of responsibility that comes with that access, will help mitigate the desire to seek out and play with the weapons when adults aren't around.

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