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  •  Apology accepted.... (3+ / 0-)
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    I respect your right to your own opinion of Jefferson.  We will have to agree to disagree on his influence on this nation.  I'm perfectly fine with that.

    Google search turned up the text of Notes on Virginia.  I can't remember if I've read it or not.  I might have, but it was several years ago if it's the same piece I'm thinking of.  It doesn't hurt to re-read books.

    Like a great many people, Jefferson had some great flaws and some great virtues.  I have paused to wonder sometimes if Jefferson put his ideal world into the Constitution [the Revolutionary War was, after all, fought over an ideal, plus the earlier disagreement regarding 'taxation without representation'] even as - in real life - he balanced the good and bad of his day and age, and made compromises when he should have stood firm..., a problem our current spineless politicians seem to have had for the past thirteen years regarding torture, unconstitutional & illegal laws & wars, corporations' profiting from government and writing legislation our Congress Critters have passed, banking institutions that needed to be bailed out..., and the like.

    I think - before the century is out - our modern spineless politicians will be just as harshly judged as you judge Jefferson, or perhaps more so, given how "enlightened" modern people are supposed to be ~ but are not.

    To see the current torturers, liars, warmongers, and their enablers brought to justice would be the only reason to want to live longer than my lifespan, whatever that turns out to be.  (I plan to live to age 100 in spite of health issues, and as of my birthday in less than a month, that's only 33 years from now.)

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 09:10:04 AM PST

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    •  Read the Notes, they're quite disturbing (1+ / 0-)
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      Jefferson obviously did and wrote many great things, but he was not a fan of compromise, and in many ways was the opposite of enlightened. Instead of dialectic, he was more didactic and pedantic, refusing to allow for even the the potential legitimacy of countering viewpoints.

      He was a closed-minded ideologue, which is why I see so much of him in folks like Ron Paul, seemingly well-intentioned lunatics who get it right in certain instances but on the whole are quite misguided IMO. And it wasn't even his specific opinions on this or that that most bothers me, as his adamantine refusal to question them and apply the same critical faculties he applied on his opponents on himself. All criticism begins with self-criticism.

      Note that I excuse none of the founders, all of whom I find some fault with (except, perhaps, Franklin, who it's hard to dislike on any count).

      But Jefferson, man, what a disappointment.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 09:30:16 AM PST

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