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  •  More magical industrial capitalist thinking (1+ / 0-)
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    Creosote

    If you think we can simply keep doing what were doing with different energy inputs then you a drastically, drastically wrong.  The system we have is not sustainable under the current growth model and never can be.  We need a change in how we travel and how we eat and nothing else will significantly alter our future viability as a race.  We can do this willingly or unwillingly, it's our choice.

    •  How is that magical thinking? (1+ / 0-)
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      Calamity Jean

      If I had ~ $40K to install a rooftop PV system and associated batteries to capture excess capacity during the day (or another $80K to by to Chevy Volts for the same purpose) I could in essence maintain my present lifestyle in  a zero emissions type way.

      I am totally willing to do this (just a little financially impaired at present . .. ).

      •  Really? (1+ / 0-)
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        Creosote

        So the food you eat doesn't have any carbon emissions?  Neither do the products you use?

        The fact of the matter is that there are no energy sources that can match oil in regards to energy density, and we rely on energy dense fuels to do a hell of a lot of what happens in the modern world.  

        I'm not sure what your current life style involves, but if meat, driving, and flying are in there then you wouldn't be able to continue it in the same way.  We can't even farm vegetables without a lot of emissions and environmental damage, and we're even running out of room to do that.

        The big problem is that we aren't just facing global warming, we're facing a general ecological disaster as a result of the industrialization of the earth, and no one wants to talk about the fact that global warming is just part of that.

        •  Yeah, OK to appease you I won't bother (2+ / 0-)
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          AoT, Calamity Jean

          planting my half acre vegetable garden next year.

          You have opened my eyes - I seriously did not realize that it was such an egregious contributor to global warming until right now.  Egad!!

          •  I didn't say you were a huge contributor (1+ / 0-)
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            Roadbed Guy

            And I really wasn't trying to attack you personally for your choices, mainly because I've gotten the impression before that you're pretty on point about most of this.  I'm just concerned that the larger crisis is getting lost in all of the polly-annaish proclamations that we can keep living like we are, high on the hog, if we just switch to solar or another renewable.  The problems we have are far deeper than that.

            And I'm jealous of your garden, wish I could do that too.

            •  Yeah, so are the freakin' deer!! (1+ / 0-)
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              AoT
              And I'm jealous of your garden, wish I could do that too.
              I try to keep them out with powdered coyote urine - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't . .. . .

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