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  •  Some of us (39+ / 0-)

    are doing the best we can to put sticks in his spokes. They want to effin frack the Mendips, a water table with complicated geology, which not only feed the Roman baths in Bath, but also the famous holy wells of Wells and Glastonbury! I just shot off a four page letter to Somerset County Council, and if necessary, will chain myself to their effin machinery. Right now, the current government is giving the US Tea Party a run for Teh Stupid Award.

    "We are monkeys with money and guns". Tom Waits

    by northsylvania on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 07:28:44 AM PST

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    •  Ugh, ugh, ugh. (16+ / 0-)

      Fighting fracking here in MD as well. We've sort of got the jump on them, as no wells have been drilled yet and we have a sympathetic governor.

      And hey, I'm not blaming any of you for Cameron--look at our government. Or, maybe, don't; I don't blame you if you want to look away.

      Isn't there some way to get rid of this guy, since you've got a parliamentary system?

      Good luck to you--

      if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:24:14 AM PST

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      •  The British Obama? (10+ / 0-)

        Threats to Cameron's job are currently coming from the Conservative right. They worry that Cameron is insufficiently hostile to the European Union. I suspect British Conservatives feel about the EU roughly what American conservatives do about the UN.

        Last weekend, two Sunday papers ran articles suggesting that one Adam Afriye (the Conservative MP for Windsor - yes the area including Windsor Castle, so he knows the Queen) was going to challenge Cameron for the Conserrvative leadership (which would probably make Afriye the next Prime Minister, assuming he won). Allegedly there are enough right wingers ready to trigger a leadership contest although only one revealed his name in public (Patrick Mercer MP if anyone is interested).

        The British Obama comparison is because Afriye had a father from Africa (Ghana) and a white British mother. He grew up on a council estate (= project) in South London. He subsequently made one hundred million pounds in the IT industry, which may explain why he ended up in the Conservative Party.

        Afriye was a member of the Shadow Cabinet before 2010, but was not offered a post in the real government. Mercer was a minister but his services were dispensed with last year. Could these facts be connected with hostility to David Cameron?

        However the Conservative Chairman, Grant Shapps, telephoned Afriye and was told he was not going to challenge the Prime Minister. The whole thing seems to have been a botched attempt at self publicity and profile raising by a rather obscure politician.

        David Cameron currently has the support of a majority of the House of Commons. He is unlikely to lose it until much closer to the general election due in 2015. Until he does lose such support, the Parliamentary system makes Cameron secure as Prime Minister.

        There is no man alive who is sufficiently good to rule the life of the man next door to him. Sir Rhys Hopkin Morris, M.P.

        by Gary J on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:56:17 AM PST

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    •  this may seem like a crazy thing to ask (11+ / 0-)

      well, I guess it is, but--
      given that we're talking about the potential for losing large parts of Britain to sinking under the waves and given that there's scientific fact to back that up, would it be a good time to perhaps ask the Queen to make a statement about it? I know that she has no actual power, but as head of state she surely has some symbolic and moral power. And isn't it her job to look after the survival of the nation rather than politics (not that those two things can be completely separated)?

      She, although insular and insulated, does seem to have a moral compass of sorts around the notion of public service. And it is her job to act for the nation's (or the Empire's, I guess) preservation, isn't it?

      Trying hard to understand something that is not culturally familiar to me...

      if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:33:28 AM PST

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      •  More likely Charles, (6+ / 0-)

        who has a certain amount of green credentials and does interfere occasionally, though he also owns a lot of land and would stand to benefit financially. However if the Royal family get involved, and they occasionally do, it would be considered controversial. The Brits seem to expect Queen and company to be decorative window dressing.
        The Royals are generally old school Tories, so maybe it would be better if they kept a low profile or none at all.

        "We are monkeys with money and guns". Tom Waits

        by northsylvania on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 09:18:02 AM PST

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        •  Conservatives outside America (1+ / 0-)
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          sometimes still understand that the natural world is not their enemy.

          But I'll accept your view on it being seen as unacceptably interfering. The whole non-political head of state is difficult for me to get my cultural brain around (as in, where do the boundaries lie?), so thanks for the "translation"
           :-).

          if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 06:21:08 AM PST

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          •  Old school Tories (1+ / 0-)
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            are all about class and money, where you were educated and who your friends are. They have stately homes in the countryside and are fanatic about keeping their patch from being spoiled (which is why they can be mistaken for environmentalists). Old school Labour were mainly union members and the working class, and are concentrated in urban areas, both London and up north. They really don't care about anything outside the cities. Some of this has changed: quite a few of our current Tories are primarily anti-immigrant and racist, some are just anti-tax fanatics. Labour is more likely to raise taxes and promote immigration, but they, like the Tories, let the City of London (the banks) do whatever they please. However, except for the most reactionary, neither religion nor sexual preference has any bearing on social position. Cameron has come out forcefully for gay marriage. Education is the most important marker: almost all our top politicians, no matter what party, went to either Oxford or Cambridge, as did the Royals, the bankers, the people who get appointed to the House of Lords (no longer hereditary landowners), and most of the civil servants...in general the people who have any power. We don't have a primary system, so whoever is put on the ballot for each party in your district (often people who have never lived in your district) are the people you choose from for MP. The Prime Minister is the head of the party who elects the most MPs, and is not elected at all. Our election season is therefore very short (and so are the ballots!), but a lot of manoeuvring is done to be head of the party, or be chosen to run for MP, in the years preceding an election.

            "We are monkeys with money and guns". Tom Waits

            by northsylvania on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:54:46 AM PST

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            •  So essentially there is no natural (1+ / 0-)
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              constituency for environmentalism in British politics. That's tough. I guess it falls to people at the local level to fight back?

              In American politics it's been a weird ride; we started off with just as many Republicans as Dems being environmentalists; Theodore Roosevelt was instrumental in the beginnings of the environmental movement here. I still remember when there were Republican environmentalists, as late as the 80s/early 90s; McCain's 2000 campaign was the last gasp of the Republicans caring about the environment at all.

              Since the 60s there have been a lot of Democratic environmentalists (in response to people like Rachel Carson and disasters like Three Mile Island, as well as chronic problems like the Cuyahoga River burning). Now they are mostly jumping ship as well. I wonder how Kerry is going to square his views with Obama's when he makes decisions about climate treaties and such. Of course, I don't really know which set of views Obama is going to cleave to on climate.  He certainly loves fracking.

              Fracking:  in which you poison your water supply in order to get carbon emissions levels from coal to drop in the short term.

              if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

              by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 01:57:01 PM PST

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              •  Obama (1+ / 0-)
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                would definitely be Labour here. He has done a lot for wind power in the States, as Blair and Brown did, and like them pays lip service to environmentalism, but also like them, he's a city boy and doesn't instinctively sympathise with rural concerns.

                "We are monkeys with money and guns". Tom Waits

                by northsylvania on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 06:37:59 AM PST

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    •  MOre power to you! (3+ / 0-)

      It's good to know you are out there at work!

      We're fighting a similar battle here in California.  We'll have to get together to share stories some time.

      Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

      by Mindful Nature on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:43:56 AM PST

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    •  explain to me: I thought Cameron's government was (4+ / 0-)

      a coalition with a much more leftist party. If that's so -- why does his government get away with this stuff?
      (are am I totally out-of-date on this?).

      While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

      by Tamar on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:59:02 AM PST

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      •  LOL (3+ / 0-)
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        Lib Dem, Nick Clegg was so anxious to have some shot at the reins of power that he has caved on positions to an extent that would make Lieberman blush. He is grumbling a bit now but it's way too little too late. My own MP is a Lib Dem, and he's one of the worst of the lot! Unfortunately Labour has yet to make a credible opposition stance to anything, including fracking, and Blair's position on privatising the post office makes it obvious that the parties have neoliberal credentials in common, only their manner of carrying out their agenda differs. Blair believed in bread and circuses, Cameron cut the second out straightaway and is working hard on the first...with Clegg's help.
        The only hope for the anti-fracking activists is to lobby the local authorities and get the word out to the general populace faster than the gas men can.

        "We are monkeys with money and guns". Tom Waits

        by northsylvania on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 09:29:32 AM PST

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        •  depressing. We're going to be in England this (6+ / 0-)

          summer -- in London for 5 or so days, then north to Scotland. We were originally planning to go to London and then Ireland but after the killing of Savita Halappanavar, I wrote to the top ministers of Ireland saying we would not be spending any of our money in their country. And we changed our plans to Scotland.
          (I actually got a decent response from the more liberal minister and a 2-line form response from the prime minister).

          While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

          by Tamar on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 09:53:31 AM PST

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          •  The Death of Savita Halappanavar wiki: (2+ / 0-)
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            http://en.wikipedia.org/...

            The death of Savita Halappanavar on 28 October 2012, at University Hospital Galway in Ireland, led to nationwide protests—which spilled over into India, England and many other countries—calling for a review of the abortion laws in Ireland. Halappanavar, a Hindu of Indian origin, was suffering from a miscarriage when she was some 17 weeks pregnant, and she sought medical attention and treatment at University Hospital Galway. Her husband, Praveen Halappanavar, said that the hospital told them the foetus was not viable, but they could not perform an abortion under Irish Law as the foetus heart was still beating. During the next several days, Halappanavar was diagnosed with septicemia which lead to multiple organ failure and her death.
            •  so unbelievably awful. Inexcusable. I don't look (1+ / 0-)
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              at Ireland the same way I used to, because I can't help but think of this poor woman.

              While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

              by Tamar on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:24:20 PM PST

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              •  Catholic Church (4+ / 0-)

                still holds a lot of power there.  That's where to point the finger.

                don't always believe what you think

                by claude on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:41:20 PM PST

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                •  What about the people who killed her? (2+ / 0-)
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                  What about the doctors and nurses.  The people who knew but didn't act?  What about them?  The Catholic Church is a religious organization (read: crazy and unaccountable) several steps removed from this process.  The moral weight always falls on those who were in a position to act.  Those are her killers.

                  •  Do no harm. (2+ / 0-)
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                    Your first duty is to the patient in front of you.

                    if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

                    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 06:46:43 AM PST

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                  •  I think it's unforgivable that they did nothing. (0+ / 0-)

                    What I read was that the law was so unclear, they were more afraid of getting in trouble for aborting the fetus than for letting her die. I don't understand how doctors can live with those laws.
                    (Of course, I was furious with our own military doctors who allowed themselves to be pressured by the military hierarchy into under-diagnosing PTSD -- I thought the medical groups, particularly the American Psychiatric Association, should have taken action. My husband, a shrink, actually wrote a letter to colleagues about this but was ignored).

                    While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

                    by Tamar on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 11:07:40 AM PST

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              •  Yes and they wouldn't even give her an epidural (2+ / 0-)
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                or anything otherwise she wouldn't have died in agony (though she still would have died).  Perhaps because of the whole "women must suffer during childbirth" even though that is not official Roman Catholic teachings?

                You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

                by Throw The Bums Out on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 09:54:51 PM PST

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                •  that was extraordinarily sick. (2+ / 0-)
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                  I've always been fond of Ireland; studied Irish Literature as one of my specializations in grad school; went there in 95.

                  The essential humanity of the Irish people has often run up against this kind of religious misogyny over the last couple hundred years. I so wish it wouldn't.  When those two things conflict, so often the misogynist impulse seems to win.

                  if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

                  by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 06:49:22 AM PST

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            •  That was unbelievable. (1+ / 0-)
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              My mom had the same thing, and they induced labor. If they'd needed to, they would have aborted me--and you know what, I'm fine with that.

              if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

              by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 06:46:14 AM PST

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        •  LibDems became NeoCons. (4+ / 0-)

          Amazing.

          "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

          by bontemps2012 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 10:01:22 AM PST

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        •  the words "liberal" and "conservative" (0+ / 0-)

          seem to mean something different in British and Canadian politics than they do in American politics.  "Liberals" are often allied with Tories or other right wing folks. Oddly, they seem to be somewhat right wing themselves.

          Blair was awful. his kowtowing to George W. Bush was so terrible that I had a real shock one day listening to NPR. There was a man on there talking about the Middle East and he sounded amazingly knowledgeable. I thought, "who is this guy?" and then the announced him as Tony Blair. My jaw dropped. I thought, "wait a minute, he knows that much about the Middle East and he went along with George W. Bush?"

          if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 06:44:55 AM PST

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