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  •  Known sites such as this..... (15+ / 0-)

    ....should be under 24 hour protection by the U.N..

    The Renaissance should vigorously fight against those who would drag us back to the dark ages.

    If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

    by Bensdad on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 05:06:11 PM PST

    •  Yes, & let's defend people, & children. . . . (nt) (1+ / 0-)
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      Courage is the absence of fear * "Love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world." -- Jack Layton

      by sturunner on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 05:52:34 PM PST

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      •  The people of Mali have been warning the world, (3+ / 0-)
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        asking for help -- for their treasures and for their people.  Yet if you intervene, you'll inevitably become, at least to some extent, a destroyer as well.

        --------------------- “These are troubling times. Corporation are treated like people. People are treated like things. …And if we ever needed to vote, we sure do need to vote now.” -- Rev. Dr. William J. Barber

        by Fiona West on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:31:47 PM PST

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        •  so better to leave them to their fate? (4+ / 0-)

          Tough luck for them to be poor and not have a strong enough military to defend themselves from well-financed terrorists.  

          As much as I hate the "white man's burden" and tendency of the west to imperialize, I cannot stomach the idea that we should just sit back and watch while people are being terrorized, begging for our help, if we are the only ones who have the resources to act.  To me, that's just as cruel of an imperialism.

          But like I've indicated, I'm biased.  I have family that this affects.  If the French had not taken action, at this moment my five year old goddaughter might be swaddled in a hijab.

          •  Your point is understandable. (1+ / 0-)
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            You have roots in Mali, so naturally you're concerned about family and friends there.

             While France doing this is nice in the short-term, please don't get too trusting of them.

            •  thanks. But also please realize (6+ / 0-)

              that BECAUSE I have family in Mali and am very familiar with the long history with France, I'm not a starry-eyed idealist.  Anyone who thinks that they (France) don't already have a significant amount of influence and interest in Mali isn't paying attention.  Malians aren't stupid.  They are justifiably wary of losing their autonomy and are proud of their country.  But they are also cognizant of how close they have come to losing their culture, heritage and freedom to these extremists.  

              •  Very well put! (1+ / 0-)
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                I hope your family is doing well. :)

                 My only problem is when Americans in particular and Westerners in general assume military intervention is always necessary or good, or that it's the first, last and only solution to any given world crisis.

                 For the record, neither France nor the Islamists deserve to have a say in Mali's direction. I completely agree with you. Francois Hollande is a Socialist, but that doesn't mean his intentions are well-meaning. Of course I don't need to tell you that! ;)

        •  this was a major cleverness (4+ / 0-)

          of the French. Was it reported? The French specifically did not try to enter Timbuktu with modern weapons. They stayed out of town, took the airport, but otherwise left Timbuktu to reverto to non islamist control by itself.

          This is something where I am not sure people realize that a major potential blunder was avoided.

          Imagine what Islamist propaganda could have made of it if the French had gone Fallujah on Timbuktu. They didn´t. They let the fleeing Islamists demonstrate (above all to the Islamic world) who the real destroyers of culture are.  

          •  I'm really glad to hear this was the case. nt (0+ / 0-)

            --------------------- “These are troubling times. Corporation are treated like people. People are treated like things. …And if we ever needed to vote, we sure do need to vote now.” -- Rev. Dr. William J. Barber

            by Fiona West on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 09:15:40 AM PST

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