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  •  Power projection IS a cynical reason! (2+ / 0-)
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    marsanges, mali muso

    From what I understand in your reply, Hollande wants to project power in Africa so as to not appear weak in front of France's right-wing, but is doing so under the guise of "humanitarianism". Mali is a nice target because it's in th middle of a civil war and it's going through a political transition.

     Who knows though? If France leaves without doing anything corrupt or trying to prolong its stay then I'll eat my words! :)

    •  Take you up on that! (3+ / 0-)
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      Gjetost, mali muso, terrypinder

      In fact that seems to be Hollandes major worry: Now they got in this, now how do thy get out of it again?

      because defeating islamist war bands is one thing - but that doesnt create a stable Mali again - No amount of French wishing can create that. Only Malians can create that. So now, the French are with their feet firmly planted in the sand trap the Islamists have laid.

      I dont know how this will turn out, but I am fully on mali muso´s side: the extremists had to be stopped, in the name of humanity, indeed. Now what? I haven´t heard any good suggestion on that yet.

      I hope we can get together to eat words, when ever this thing will have turned out somehow! Can we visit Mali maybe? one time in the future? It is said to be beautiful.

      •  Now we're getting somewhere! (2+ / 0-)
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        marsanges, mali muso

        We all agree that the extremists are bad for Mali. I'd be a complete jerk if I denied that, and I don't!

         It's very nice to know that you don't agree with France overall staying in Mali or intervening beyond this Islamist crisis. That's all I'm concerned about. I don't trust France, even with a Socialist president, because like the other powerful Western nations they have a history of colonialism and genocide.

         Once France has helped stop the extremists, I hope they respect Mali and leave. They need to leave and not do anything else. If they do that, then I shall procede to eat my words and let it pass.

      •  Treat you both to a cup of tea :) (8+ / 0-)

        In my adoptive homeland when this is all over.  My host father Madou taught me about Malian history, music, and the Bambara language over endless cups of tea.

        Until then, a view of the Niger River in Mopti, the Venice of Mali.

        •  my niece was there on a student exchange (1+ / 0-)
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          mali muso

          program and loved it and made a profound impression on her, she is going to try to work  overseas and  'try to make a difference'.
            She was dragged out when the revolt happened and she saw some of it. Kidnappings made the school bring them out.
          They visited Timbuktu as well, but mostly in and around Bamako.

          I was impressed seeing the African history in the faces of so many of the French troopers....

          This machine kills Fascists.

          by KenBee on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 12:35:16 AM PST

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      •  Thanks for this comment. I really like hearing (2+ / 0-)
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        mali muso, marsanges

        about the debate going on in France and the French press.  I used to read some European papers when I had a bit more time, and it really shifts one's understanding to get more perspective from outside of the US.  

        The same goes for reading Latin American  and other sources (if not more so.)  But in this case of course France is particularly pertinent, so your commentary here is very much to the point.

        --------------------- “These are troubling times. Corporation are treated like people. People are treated like things. …And if we ever needed to vote, we sure do need to vote now.” -- Rev. Dr. William J. Barber

        by Fiona West on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 07:56:10 PM PST

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    •  maybe not power projection so much as (3+ / 0-)
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      Gjetost, KenBee, terrypinder

      changing the ways and circumstances under which France will step in and use that power.

      I quote from anthropologist and excellent blogger Bruce Whitehouse (whom you should really check out if you want great analysis on Mali):

      It would be difficult to prove or disprove allegations of neocolonial or imperialist motivations in French foreign policy. Surely a great many French citizens and leaders harbor paternalistic sentiments toward their former African colonies, and surely there are economic interests at stake. But we do know that for over a year, the French government (under Presidents Sarkozy and Hollande) was extremely reluctant to intervene in Mali’s conflict, preferring instead to lend logistic and financial support to a West African regional operation. The imminent collapse of the Malian military last week at the hands of Islamist forces in the Mopti region rendered that option moot. “La Françafrique” isn’t dead, but times have changed: by all indications, Operation Serval was a last resort, whereas a few years ago it would have been the default option.
      •  Point taken. (2+ / 0-)
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        mali muso, marsanges

        I guess that's what marsanges was trying to tell me. Good to know Operation Serval was a last resort.

         I still hope this isn't an excuse for France to start meddling in its former colonies. We'll see.

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