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  •  Thank Zeus he was born in Calgary! (9+ / 0-)

    And thank you for posting it.   I had been worried that he would run for President some day.  Whew!  

    It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

    by Radiowalla on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:45:23 AM PST

    •  Odds are he can run for president (4+ / 0-)
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      Ted Cruz was born in Calgary because his parents moved there to work in the oil patch. The family moved back to Texas when he was about four.

      His mother is an American citizen, born in the U.S. His Cuban father is a naturalized American citizen, though I don't know if he was naturalized before or after the time in Calgary.

      Ted Cruz was an American citizen at birth, through his mother's U.S. citizenship and his father's, if he had been naturalized.

      •  Not saying you're wrong, but... (3+ / 0-)
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        How far are we going to stretch this, really? I was prepared to accomodate John McCain, whose dad was serving in the navy in the Canal Zone at the time of his birth. But this? Cruz could, I would think, claim Canadian citizenship as readily as he could claim US citizenship, not that the Canadians are dumb enough to want him.

        The Bush Family: 0 for 4 in Wisconsin

        by Korkenzieher on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:49:00 AM PST

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        •  Natural born citizen (3+ / 0-)
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          It was completely irrelevant to John McCain's citizenship that his father was serving in the military and stationed abroad, and also completely irrelevant that baby John was born on a military base, which some other people have argued.

          The Panana Canal Zone was an unincorporated territory of the United States. People born in an unincorporated territory were considered U.S. nationals at birth, but not U.S. citizens.

          However, if you were born in the Canal Zone to two U.S. citizen parents, then another law applied, and you were a citizen at birth. If one parent was a U.S. citizen, you were a national. Congress passed legislation recognizing anyone who was born in the Canal Zone with at least one U.S. citizen parent as a U.S. citizen.

          The laws governing which children born abroad are considered U.S. citizens by birth have evolved. At one time, it was necessary for the child's father to be a U.S. citizen, but eventually that was evened out: either parent could transmit citizenship.

          Unless Ted Cruz has renounced Canadian citizenship, he should be a dual citizen--a citizen of Canada by being born in Canada, and a citizen of the United States, at birth, because his mother was a citizen who transmitted U.S. citizenship to him. (His father may have been a U.S. citizen then, as well.)

          I don't think it is a matter of whether Canada "wants" him. Unless he has renounced, he has Canadian citizenship.

          However, Ted Cruz left the country at the age of four. I doubt he has many memories of his brief time in Canada. He probably does not identify with Canada all that much.

          Incidentally, his mother would have had the benefit of the provincial health care system when he was born, and, for that matter, baby Ted would have been covered by that system from birth, as well.

          The basic question is whether a person has to have been born on U.S. soil to be a "natural born" citizen eligible to serve as president. John McCain wouldn't meet the criteria of being born on the right kind of U.S. soil, because it was unincorporated territory soil.

          If "natural born" is interpreted to mean that the person is a citizen of the United States at birth, then McCain meets that criteria as he was a citizen at birth through transmission of citizenship through his parents.

          Ted Cruz had at least one U.S. citizen parent who could transmit citizenship to him at birth, so I'd say there's a good argument he is indeed a natural born citizen.

          •  Ugh... (1+ / 0-)
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            Now I'm back to worrying.  

            It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

            by Radiowalla on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 02:21:45 PM PST

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            •  Think of the up-side (0+ / 0-)

              Won't it be fun to watch the people who came up with all kinds of hare-brained arguments about that mythical Kenyan baby and why he wasn't eligible to be president?

              Consider the "legal" arguments of Orly Taitz alone.

              Of course, in the end, the most devout anti-Kenyan-baby fighters will convince themselves that all of their "legal" arguments absolutely don't apply to a tea party politician.  

              No doubt there will be books about how Mrs. Cruz really drove to Sweetgrass to have her baby there, so that someday he could grow up to become president.

      •  so Ted was an anchor baby? (0+ / 0-)


    •  Nothing stopping him from enlisting, either (8+ / 0-)

      Ted Cruz had the same opportunity as every other young American to volunteer to serve in the military--whichever branch of the service he preferred.

      John Kerry joined the Navy after university and before going to law school.

      Ted Cruz...didn't.

    •  Radiowalla - Cruz would qualify to run (0+ / 0-)

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 12:42:06 PM PST

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      •  Well, I had one brief moment of joy (1+ / 0-)
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        believing it wasn't possible.  I guess that's something.

        It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

        by Radiowalla on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 02:34:33 PM PST

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        •  Not a sure thing either way (1+ / 0-)
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          It might turn out that you have lots of reasons for joy.

          The Supreme Court hasn't had the occasion to interpret what "natural born citizen" means in that part of the Constitution.

          We know it applies to people born on American soil, if it is the right kind of soil. (Unincorporated territory soil might not work.)

          There's an argument that someone who is automatically a citizen at birth through U.S. citizen parent(s) is a natural born citizen. Wasn't George Romney born in Mexico to two U.S. citizens? If so, he thought that was good enough to run.

          Maybe the Supreme Court will agree, maybe not, if a case ever comes their way. They've been known to do some oddball things in the past, e.g. Bush v. Gore.

          As I recall, Congress passed a resolution saying that John McCain was eligible to serve as president.

          Maybe someday Congress will get in the habit of passing a resolution in which every serious primary candidate is on the list of people Congress considers to be a natural born citizen.

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