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  •  Had she won the 2008 primary (1+ / 0-)
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    She would have defeated McCain by an even larger margin than Obama.  IIRC, just before she pulled out of the primary, she was polling much higher against McCain than Obama and had been for months.

    Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

    by Betty Pinson on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 02:46:39 PM PST

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    •  But didn't she pull out of the (1+ / 0-)
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      primary because she didn't have the votes? She was defeated in the primaries.

      •  Primary vs GE votes (0+ / 0-)

        Two completely different election processes.

        If the primary vote had been based on a national election by Dems, she would have won the popular vote.  

        Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

        by Betty Pinson on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 06:54:10 PM PST

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    •  Um. (5+ / 0-)

      I'm sorry, but this kind of counter-factual speculation just won't fly.

      Obama's victory was deeply connected to his revolutionary GOTV organization. Do you really believe Hillary could have taken Indiana?

      To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

      by UntimelyRippd on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 06:24:44 PM PST

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      •  It was a series of primary contests (0+ / 0-)

        A much different election than a general election where everyone goes to vote.

        The Dem primary is a delegate selection process that is less influenced by popular votes than it is by political manipulation, caucuses and game playing for the delegate count.

        As I posted above, if it were a straight up primary vote where registered Dems went to a polling place and voted, she probably would have won the popular vote.

        Let's not get started on rehashing the 2008 primary race.  It's an ugly debate and I'm as persistent and tough in arguing about it as the other side.

        Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

        by Betty Pinson on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 06:58:04 PM PST

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        •  I wasn't talking about the primary. (1+ / 0-)
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          Were you?

          To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

          by UntimelyRippd on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 07:02:40 PM PST

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          •  What were you talking about? (0+ / 0-)

            If about the GE, she would have defeated McCain by a larger margin than Obama.  She consistently polled higher against McCain throughout the primary race.

            If there's something else you want to discuss, just say so.

            Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

            by Betty Pinson on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 07:04:40 PM PST

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            •  You say this: (2+ / 0-)
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              If about the GE, she would have defeated McCain by a larger margin than Obama.  She consistently polled higher against McCain throughout the primary race.
              I think you are wrong.

              To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

              by UntimelyRippd on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 07:06:26 PM PST

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              •  And I think I'm right (0+ / 0-)

                We disagree. End of discussion.  

                Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

                by Betty Pinson on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 07:12:12 PM PST

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