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  •  Those rat bastards (5+ / 0-)

    I've just about had it trying to be civil with some of these "guns-at-all-cost" people. It's against my upbringing to wish them to share the experience of a family who loses loved ones to senseless gun violence. But it's getting more difficult to restrain when I hear stories like the one from Danbury. The aftereffects of losing his son in that massacre will not go away for that father from Newtown until he is laid to rest. Our family knows.

    This reminds me of what was done to Cindy Sheehan.

    There has never been a protracted war from which a country has benefited. The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. - Sun Tzu

    by OHeyeO on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 05:10:48 AM PST

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    •  The rabid gun crowd, I fully believe, (4+ / 0-)
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      have now hit a wall - that being 12/14.

      That has changed the route of the river, so to speak.

      There will be changes; a variety of nuts and bolts changes/restrictions and a general tightening up of the process of scrutinizng legal gun buyers.

      I alsop think though, as clearly evidenced by everything from people stocking up on AR-15's, ammo and parts, we will see an increased black marketing in these weapons. A ban won't even be necessary to cause it.

      So many people are just fucking delusional about these weapons, their importance, and this bullshit "government tyranny" thing.

      I gots news for you: the government ain't going to be the enemy: it will be the corporations who own the government.

      And they don't care about dead people.

      We'll put some things together and we will reduce rates of violence and accidents.

      We won't stop these wild, random, never-saw-that-coming kinds of events. They are less frequent than hitting a giant lotto.

      We'll have prevented some tragedies, and that will be good; we cannot win them all. Even with the most draconian of laws.

      Just this morning, outside the Atlanta Federal Penn, a cop caught 4 guys trying to smuggle the following into the prison:

      2 30-packs of beer, protein powder, 2 dozen cell phones, and 2 loaded handguns.

      Superbowl party in prison.

      We cannot keep drugs, phones, and drugs out of PRISON.

      that should be a reality-based hint for some....

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 05:38:59 AM PST

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      •  it would seem to me the rabid gun crowd (7+ / 0-)

        actually represents very few of gun owners; I would hazard a guess that most of this fringe group are not actual collectors or hunters or recreational shooters but would come more under the rubric of hoarder.  The problem is that media today tends to make everything about the clowns and ignores the rest of the circus so we have people who would never under normal circumstances be handed a microphone suddenly finding themselves in the spotlight

        •  yep - thats why I used the term. (2+ / 0-)
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          I am not going to badger the RKBA crowd the way others do because thet's not ehlping and they are most likely not a danger to you or yours.

          People have to accept that some people are responsible gun owners. It's just reality.

          Some people who THINK they are 'responsible gun owners" are rabid, foamy-mouthed cranks who disrupt the discussion, such as the hecklers of the Man in Newtown and those numbnuts who still spew the Sandy Hook CT.

          They are minorities, but loud and fronted by the NRA which has a lot of money and political muscle.

          They won't derail reforms this time.

          Let them huff and puff.... High winds do not last all day.

          The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

          by xxdr zombiexx on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 05:49:44 AM PST

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          •  CT as in conspiracy theory (3+ / 0-)
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            not CT as in Connecticut.

            "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

            by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 05:53:14 AM PST

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          •  most of the reasonable suggestions I have (3+ / 0-)
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            seen for gun regulation (I have given up on the term "control" as too emotionally charged at this point in the discussion) simply include measures which most gun owners would already practice themselves.

            For example, waiting periods don't particularly bother me because I acquire most of my firearms by auction which requires transfer to an FFL holder ( i relinquished mine years ago) which means a normal wait for me of 2-4 weeks.  Adding a week or so to the wait time for a thorough background check gives me no grief (though if I fail such a check, I should have the right to appeal the decision since I once held both FFL and explosive permits from the BATF and I would want to know why the change in status)

            The problem arises when folks want to take away my 10 gauge Damascus twist wall hanger (with both barrels more or less rusted out due to neglect by a previous owner) when it is no more dangerous than my pair of genuine Gene Autrey cap pistols.

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              entlord

              and btw the jewel in the crown is background checks.

              http://www.dailykos.com/...

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 06:39:45 AM PST

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              •  agreed and I had no problem with them (0+ / 0-)

                when I was ATF licensed and understood when after 9/11 they contacted me regarding 10 tons of ammonium and sodium nitrate I had recently purchased along with 1000 gals of diesel fuel and 5 tanks of propane

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