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  •  He wasn't heckled (1+ / 0-)
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    as has been pointed out here. It was yet another deceptive edit by NBC.

    •  Okay, he wasn't heckled (5+ / 0-)

      He was treated badly by unsympathetic gun owners who think owning any gun they want trumps this father's grief over the senseless loss of his 6 year old child.
      Better?

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 06:25:25 AM PST

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      •  "2nd Amendment !" "Shall not be infringed !" (1+ / 0-)
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        Yelled out as reasons for keeping high-capacity massacre-enabling guns out there.

        That's not heckling.

        It is far worse.

        "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

        by bontemps2012 on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 11:09:11 AM PST

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    •  The diary you refer to took (3+ / 0-)

      umbrage of the word "heckling," saying that the outbursts in the audience were responding to Mr. Heslin's question in order to "correct the record."  In his testimony Mr. Heslin had given his considered opinion that there was no need whatsoever for individuals to own semi-automatic weapons with magazines that were capable of spraying 30 or more bullets in a matter of a few seconds, blowing apart whole groups of people.  There is no record to correct here - this was the father's opinion.  His question was why - why anyone needed a weapon such as he described.

      And the respondents never answered that question.  The outbursts were loud and chaotic, but what replies could be understood in the din were variations of "It's our right" which didn't answer Mr. Heslin's question at all.  Because there is no answer to why someone needs these weapons - none at all.

      The only reason people have the "right" to own such weapons is because no law has been passed to prohibit it; the constitution doesn't grant to right to own any weapon.  Certain weapons can be, and should be, prohibited by law without infringing on the Second Amendment.  And guns like those used at Sandy Hook should be.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 07:28:20 AM PST

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      •  I do not disagree with your (0+ / 0-)

        sentiments on some weapons, But that isn't the point. look at the entire video. They may not have answered his question but they were not shouting him down or heckling.

        •  So blame the headline writers. (0+ / 0-)

          They often write inaccurate headlines.  You're correct that what happened wasn't heckling, and that term should not have been used by anyone who viewed the video or read the entire writeup of the meeting.  However no one should be able to claim that the outbursts were answering the father's question, either.  That's at least as inaccurate as "heckling."

          "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

          by SueDe on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 09:29:34 AM PST

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    •  He most certainly was. MSNBC ran the whole thing. (3+ / 0-)
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      He asked a question and the shouted responses were not answers to his question. Shouting "the second amendment" to every question is not an answer or a legitimate response.   Lawrence O'Donnell's commentary was spot on.

    •  bullshit (2+ / 0-)
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      Hint: if the moderator of a public meeting says you will be cleared from room if you don't shut up, you are heckling
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      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 08:34:21 AM PST

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      •  Classy reply (1+ / 0-)
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        Look I am NOT defending those clowns, but he clearly asked for a response and sever seconds later several gave some. They were not shouting. They appear bad enough, no need to exaggerate the nonsense.

        •  see frum (0+ / 0-)

          I agree it doesn't need to be exaggerated, but Frum is right and you aren't. It's really that simple.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 08:52:47 AM PST

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          •  Look at the UNEDITED video (0+ / 0-)

            And then say he was heckled. Please ... Its NBC for goodness sakes.

          •  See Frum indeed (0+ / 0-)

            http://www.thedailybeast.com/...

            "In retrospect, I'll concede this: the CTPost' s use of the word 'heckling' was misjudged, and it was not the right word for me to have repeated."
          •  Jeez dude (0+ / 0-)

            A "sorry about the vulgarity and I stand corrected " would be nice for a front page  writer?

            •  this Newtown resident has little patience (0+ / 0-)

              for what I perceive as rudeness to one of my stricken neighbors.

              You are not right and there's no apology warranted.

              A very fair and neutral reporter, Ken Dixon was there.

              Later, a dozen or so of the enthusiasts actually heckled (definition: "objections designed to embarrass") and interrupted Neil Heslin, the father of Jesse Lewis, a first-grader among 20 dead.

              He rhetorically asked what gave people the right to own the type of military-style weaponry that killed 26 in the school, when they piped up "The Second Amendment," until Senate Majority Leader Martin Looney offered to empty the room.

              While rude and indicative of a certain strata of gun owners who are defeating their own arguments through boorish public behavior, these angry, mostly white guys seem to be embarrassing outliers.

              http://www.ctpost.com/...

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:28:37 AM PST

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            •  more definitions (0+ / 0-)
              heckle [ˈhɛkəl]
              vb
              1. to interrupt (a public speaker, performer, etc.) by comments, questions, or taunts
              heckled  past participle, past tense of heck·le (Verb)
              Verb
              Interrupt (a public speaker) with derisive or aggressive comments or abuse.
              Heckle is the correct word. He was heckled.

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:17:00 AM PST

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              •  Nope, he asked for a response (0+ / 0-)

                And again I am not defending the jerks, just trying, as I stated before, to set the record straight. He wasn't "heckled" by an stretch. Your definition does not match what occurred, as even your authority Frum admitted. I wouldn't even be persistent if it weren't for your juvenile and rude vulgarity.

                Have a nice day.

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