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  •  Our songbird numbers dropped suddenly, (3+ / 0-)
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    About 3-4 years ago. This was very coincident with the scandal where Scott's songbird feed was supposedly found to be contaminated with a pesticide that was mortally toxic to the birds we were all feeding with it. Their feed even had the Audubon label on it. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't cast aspersions totally on the cats and let humans off the hook. Most environmental problems I've studied have had multiple sources that caused the problem(s).

    Having said that, I'm not in favor of killing the feral colonies but, rather, we should go all out neutering them so they can't reproduce so virulently into later generations.

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      Briefly, even if spaying/neutering worked in terms of preventing a colony from growing, you cannot begin to do it at a spatial scale large enough to offset the impacts to wildlife populations.  

    •  Why TNR? When every wildlife biologist I've ever (0+ / 0-)

      read says it doesn't work?

      How big is your personal carbon footprint?

      by ban nock on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 08:19:48 PM PST

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      •  It has worked greatly in our neighborhood (1+ / 0-)
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        Perhaps they should try harder! Besides, what do you propose, obliteration of a species of mammals to save the feathered dinosaurs? I love birds too, but your alternatives are likely horrid. Do you want to be the one to kill the cats?

        •  Its not "obliteration of a species of mammals"... (5+ / 0-)

          ...its wildlife management.  

          We have and entire Federal agency devoted to helping farmers ranchers, and others (you too if you're ever flown on a plane) cope with nuisance wildlife (pocket gophers, coyotes, starlings, Canada geese and deer at airports...).  Sometimes this involves euthanasia and the professionals work to do it as humanely as possible.  Many if not most of us would find the work distasteful but its necessary.

          In the case of feral cats, I would recommend rescue for those that can be rescued, humane euthanasia where the problem is critical and rescue efforts are saturated, and prevention.

          There is no conceivable way that the cat species will be eliminated.  And yes - I value our native animals over feral and introduced ones.

        •  I don't think that management would even put a (0+ / 0-)

          dent in overall cat populations.  Certainly keeping them inside would lengthen the lives of individuals. I like cats more than birds in a companionship kind of way and because I know them better, but I like birds in that they are wildlife, even though I know little about them.

          I've killed wildlife for reasons other than to eat, rats, mice, coyotes, and I don't like it. If it were my job I could do it.

          How big is your personal carbon footprint?

          by ban nock on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 05:50:11 AM PST

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