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  •  Last I knew, none of those countries (2+ / 0-)
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    have an 2nd amendment as we do. Try to repeal or amend it if you feel that way. Everything else is an excuse to help make us an minority party for who knows how many years.

    •  yes (9+ / 0-)

      a 200+ year old document, interpreted by an extremist right wing court, has stuck us with this monstrosity. and an assault weapons ban is favored by almost a 2-1 margin. and demographics are moving us even more in that direction. the fear of the voters game doesn't work on me.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:24:07 PM PST

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      •  Not trying to change your mind or (1+ / 0-)
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        have any affect on you at all. Just telling you what you'll most likely have to do to get "sensible" gun control, as you put it.

        You bring up an AWB - that will never pass this congress, and if it's neddlessly pushed anyway, it will have bad ramifications for us. I'm not sure if your 2-1 margin in favor of this ban is accurate or not, but let's say it is. If you look at it simply as 2-1 "country-wide", rather than breaking it down to the more important legislative district, or even state level, you're giving yourself an comfort level that really doesn't exist.

        I do wonder though what other parts of that 200yr old document our Country was founded upon you abhor/hate as much though, or is this it?

        •  i dunno (5+ / 0-)

          the first section of article 1, section 9 was pretty reprehensible.

          and as i said: i don't fear the voters.

          The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

          by Laurence Lewis on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:59:38 PM PST

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          •  I as well don't fear the voters... (0+ / 0-)

            only what/who those voters may very well get into office.

            So to you, is it really worth pushing an AWB, that at most may affect 2% of gun crime in this country, that will fail to pass (even if it gets to an vote), and will have an adverse affect on our numbers in congress after the '14 election, and most likely more after that? If so, why? Why not push for legislation that would help out way more than the 2% (at best) the AWB would supposedly solve, and that wouldn't hurt us in the next few election cycles?

      •  I'd be in favor of banning assault weapons (0+ / 0-)

        if I knew what one was and why.

    •  Excellent idea! Wish I'd thought of it. ;-) (3+ / 0-)

      My guess is it will take 20-30 years, but many progressive causes have taken (and will take) longer than that. (E.g., how long will it take to reduce climate-change? Does this mean we shouldn't make efforts to reduce CO2 emissions, move off of fossil fuels, etc?)

      There are different approaches to reducing gun-violence. In my estimation, moving to repeal the Second Amendment (which is not the same thing as banning guns) is the correct direction.

      Join us at RASA: Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment. (Repeal will not ban guns, just help regulate them.)

      by Sharon Wraight on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:09:00 PM PST

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      •  Yep, repealing 2A vs banning guns (0+ / 0-)

        are two totally different things, but to get to the banning you've got to repeal first.

        But is it worth pushing very hard right now many regulations/bans on an very, um, let's say polarizing issue, at this time, that will not pass if it's anything like DiFi's AWB? The backlash from that could set those other progressive ideas you mentioned back even further than they unfortunately are right now.

    •  SCOTUS has made clear (0+ / 0-)

      that the 2nd amendment does not prohibit the government from regulating firearm possession.  It only prohibits a blanket ban. "well regulated militia" still counts.

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