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  •  Try on "exogenous paranoia." (29+ / 0-)

    That's an artificially induced fear of others. The most important product of right wing media.

    Add a fully-functioning paranoia to gun-hugging NRA-fueled home-defense fantasies. NRA's crazies keep telling people that there are 2,500,000 gun-waving civilian home defenses a year. (They lie.)

    Last time we got solid numbers, FBI/DoJ did a count for 1987-1992 and got 83,000 gun defenses a year -- INCLUDING POLICE ACTIONS. Also including civilians who shot raccoons.

    The number for real crime-connected civilian defenses goes somewhere on 10,000 to 12,000 a year. 25,000 as an outside maximum-possible number.

    And the most of that is small business defenses. Bodegas, pawn shops, check cashers, and the like. Home defenses are a fraction of it.

    This guy was lost in the NRA-generated fantasy world.

    2,500,000 life-and-death gunfights, not the real 3,000/4,000 civilian home defenses a year ??? Only in NRA fantasy-land.

    How do we know these numbers are correct? Because we can count corpses. they ain't invisible and they don't run away. In 2010 there were 232 of them from civilian gun defenses. That's nationwide. Small business and home together.

    232.

    Hopefully this killing will not be kicked down to the justifiable homicide category. There was no justification.

    Americans are being sold on a paranoid world view, where the country is one big "Batman" movie. It's not. not even close.

    It's profitable.

    100,000,000 guns sold over the last 20 years for "home defense." Peg that at $50-billion in added sales for the Gun Biz.

    Follow The Money.

    Think they can afford to bribe congressmen ???

    "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

    by bontemps2012 on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 07:41:46 AM PST

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    •  Yeah, but do events like this (5+ / 0-)

      get counted as a home defense?

      Or other events when someone runs off someone who was not committing a crime?

      •  If the person was "run off" then he was (4+ / 0-)
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        trespassing.

        The actual charge reads "aggravated trespass" in most criminal codes, defined with an initial refusal to leave the premises.

        Depends on the jurisdiction, but waving a gun at somebody is usually illegal. "Brandishing" is the description. It can be a knife, too.

        You have to ask politely before even thinking of drawing a gun on somebody.

        Of course a signficant portion of the population went bat-shit crzy over the last 20 years. They have been told there are 2,500,000 defensive uses of guns a year !!

        It's a jungle out there !!

        Get a gun!

        An expensive one.... And never find out that it's really 3,000/4,000 and mostly at small businesses.

        "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

        by bontemps2012 on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 12:30:52 PM PST

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      •  Insightful and critical question (0+ / 0-)

        Questions like that are why it's imperative to look behind the numbers on this issue.

        Do you count events reported to the police? You get a huge understatement. There are plenty of reasons people might not involve the police: being targets of police harassment because of their neighborhood, for example. Or people carrying illegally.

        Do you use a survey? You get a huge overstatement. I wouldn't count Zimmerman as a defensive use, but he would have said "yes" on a survey.

        There's no way to measure crimes deterred by the possible presence of an undrawn gun. That gets you into "magic rock" territory instantly. You could compare US and Canadian rates of burglaries with occupants at home, maybe.

        AoT's second question is key as well. If someone gets run off before they start the mugging while they're still in the preliminary stage, blocking the sidewalk and demanding money, should that be counted? I'd say yes, but how do you distinguish that from honest people running away because some paranoid pulled a gun on them for no good reason?

        I would love to see better research on this (and who's blocking it, hmm?).

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