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  •  A fundamental problem that leads to (6+ / 0-)

    setting up years of undiscovered abuse of children by clergy is the fact that parents who raise children in a faith community often tell their children that priests and rabbis and imams are closer to "god"  than other people. They encourage an almost worship status to these religious leaders, which puts a child who is being abused by them in a terrible spot.

    Parents need to tell their kids thats minister, rabbis, priests or whoever is the leader of their religion are just PEOPLE and deserve no more or less respect than any other person and that these people can make mistakes and can also do bad things.  

    The aura of special status and elevated level of respect given to religious leaders should be stopped.  I would never tell my child to call someone "Father" ,  "Your holiness" (Dalai Lama), "Reverand" or any other titles that infer a divine elevation or specialness.

    •  Thank you for this Fishtroller01 - this also (4+ / 0-)

      applies to families.  My abuser was my grandfather - and as children we are taught to respect our adults, etc.

      No one is above reproach when it comes to protecting the most innocent among us.  The effects of childhood sexual abuse are life long (click the link for additional information),

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      by Roxine on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 07:49:42 AM PST

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      •  I am so sorry that you had to experience this.. (5+ / 0-)

        I have some contact with a local group that represents victims of clergy abuse and have learned much about abuse issues from them.

        What made me think of this was reading about a young boy who was being abused by the priest that his family had over for dinner once a week. His parents considered this man to be a saint and that message got through loud and clear to this boy. So of course he didn't feel he could say anything about the abuse and internalized it as something that he was doing wrong and that he must have deserved this treatment because he was a sinner.

    •  In Judaism it is absurd and completely (5+ / 0-)

      forbidden to say anyone is closer to God than anyone else. The Dalai Lama rejects all claims of divinity. There are religions that promulgate that theory, but others reject it entirely. Judaism and Christianity are entirely different religions and teach vastly different precepts and require much different behaviors.

      "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

      by shmuelman on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 08:28:25 AM PST

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      •  Thank you for your insight into Judaism - what (4+ / 0-)

        this video demonstrates to me is the power our religious leaders have.  Our religious leaders are respected for their opinion and when this member sought Rabi Padwa's counsel, he was told that it was forbidden for him to report it to police and discouraged to do so.  

        Similarly, I wrote about the Catholic Church, and how young men were forced to sign contracts promising not to disclose childhood sexual abuse

        An excerpt:

        And how did the Catholic Church ensure Brendon Boland's continued silence?  They placed his hand on a bible, had him repeat the following and sign a document reading:

        "I Brandon Bolen do solemnly swear that I have told the truth, and the whole truth.  I will speak to no one about this meeting, only to authorized Priests."

        Keep in mind, this isn't about a particular religion - the Boy Scouts and Penn State are not religious organizations - this is about covering up child sexual abuse which, in all cases, is an abuse of power.  A religious leader, regardless of denomination, is in a position of authority; just as the administrators at Penn State , the leadership of the Boy Scouts of America and my parents were...

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        by Roxine on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 08:45:52 AM PST

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      •  Within every religion there is a faction (1+ / 0-)
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        usually called "fundamentalist" or "orthodox" who exhibit cult like behavior.  You are missing some information if you think that Judaism is exempt from this type of behavior or leader worship.  Any woman who lives in a fundamentalist orthodox sect of Judaism can tell you that what the rabbi says goes and you do not question his interpretation of what the Law says, even if it is personally degrading or dehumanizing.

        Why would the Dalai Lama insist on being called "Your Holiness" rather than by his first name if he doesn't think he is a special human being?  The whole premise of who gets to be in this position is based upon magical testing of childen who are considered "special" inheritors of reincarnated past leaders.  That in and of itself sets the Dalai Lama on a different plane than the rest of us.

        Judaism, Christianity and Islam are three branches of the same tree with its roots in the Abrahamic traditions. They have much in common... the biggest commonality being they think they are chosen, or favored or the most blessed of a "God".  In other words, their common root is arrogance and quite often aggressiveness. All three of these branches have brought misery to this world because of this rooted attitude, and all are very capable of setting up certain humans among their traditions as beyond scrutiny.

        •  I disagree with your religious analysis. (0+ / 0-)

          Where do you think the source of all liberalism and the belief in the sanctity of human life comes from? in the world comes from? But that is neither here nor there. I still maintain that communities that are run with integrity and strong moral and ethical guidelines, are usually better at taking care of their problems than the civil authorities. I hope that does not make me a tea party candidate.

          "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

          by shmuelman on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 09:44:42 AM PST

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          •  Please elucidate this comment? (2+ / 0-)
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            I still maintain that communities that are run with integrity and strong moral and ethical guidelines, are usually better at taking care of their problems than the civil authorities.
            Are you stating that you agree with the Rabbi and that the alleged victim of child sexual abuse should not notify the police?  Or am I misreading you?

            "...I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul" Invictus - William Ernest Henley Please donate to TREE Climbers, our 501(c)(3).

            by Roxine on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 10:02:11 AM PST

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          •  My comment is not analysis... (2+ / 0-)
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            it is history .... it is world events even now. If you think that the three religions I mentioned are the "source" of liberalism or the belief in the sanctity of life, then I guess you didn't read the texts.  You might want to explain that to the Egyptian children in the Passover story or those caught in the crossfire of land grabbing to form the nation of Israel. You might want to explain that to the victims of the Crusades or the children and pregnant women caught in the crossfire of Jihadism.   In fact, your statement has so small of a relationship to reality, I'm not sure I even needed to address it.

            In these communities that you feel should be shielded from the laws of the larger community of nations, just which "strong moral and ethical guidelines" are you referring to?  Is the rabbi depicted an example of them?

      •  We're not exempt from the tendency (0+ / 0-)

        to elevate people to "holier" status.

        Observe the Lubavitch, if you need a present-day example.

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