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  •  Brooks is just amazing (12+ / 0-)

    if the Democratic party agrees with him, that's proof that what we need is a new R party. Which doesn't exist.

    He can't bring himself to admit the nativists and anti everything crowd are simply not worthy of support (Richard Mourdoch, Todd Akin, Christine O'Donnell, Sara Palin, etc) and that firing Palin from Fox doesn't solve everything/anything.

    Meanwhile, the republican House is so broken it might take breaking the Hastert rule to do anything.

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 08:04:43 AM PST

    •  The thing is, nativism is in the DNA (10+ / 0-)

      of the Republican Party.  It was a major part of the original coalition (the Know-Nothings) and it has remained a strong part of it to this day.  That it has been ascendant should come as no surprise, given the demographic reality that the nativist base faces.  

    •  Brooks Is Still Polishing The Turd That Is The GOP (4+ / 0-)

      It's going to take more than marketing to get rid of that stink.

      There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

      by bernardpliers on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 09:04:09 AM PST

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    •  Split the GOP (4+ / 0-)
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      Because that is a sure way to increase your influence.

       That falls in the "tax beaks pay for themselves" and "cutting spending will increase jobs" category of absurdity.

      The Democrats create jobs. The Republicans create recessions.

      by Tuba Les on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 09:12:47 AM PST

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      •  Right you are, tuba. (1+ / 0-)
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        Divide and conquer.  Unfortunately I don't think the GOP will take his sage advice.  Nobody pays much attention to him anymore except for entertainment purposes.  I wonder when the News Hour will catch on.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 09:20:47 AM PST

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      •  Wrong. It might be their only way forward. (0+ / 0-)

        GOP candidates may not be able to break from entrenched views of the Party without breaking from the Party and joining one who's views are far more acceptable to a majority of voters.  A new Party would take some time to get off the ground but the current Party is headed into the ground.  Eventually, a more Moderate GOP would get votes from the more extreme T's and they would start winning elections, again.  Further, the numbers from moderate voters who like fiscal conservatism might soon outweigh the numbers lost during the break-away period.  That would buoy the new GOP.  I think it's definitely an option for them.

        "When you think about the money spent/on defense by the government/& the weapons of destruction we've built/we're so sure that we need/then you think of the millions that money could feed/How long?" J Browne

        by rainmanjr on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 11:43:42 AM PST

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        •  To Succeed (0+ / 0-)

          They will HAVE to use ideas that appeal to people now supporting Democrats. In a 3 way race two rightwing parties getting 30 percent each would lose to the party getting 40 percent.

          The Democrats create jobs. The Republicans create recessions.

          by Tuba Les on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 01:00:08 PM PST

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          •  You're missing the element of time. (0+ / 0-)

            They would fail in the immediate but the GOP will survive and become viable within a few cycles.  That's what a split will achieve and why it's their only real hope.

            "When you think about the money spent/on defense by the government/& the weapons of destruction we've built/we're so sure that we need/then you think of the millions that money could feed/How long?" J Browne

            by rainmanjr on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 11:05:46 AM PST

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    •  the road they're on (2+ / 0-)
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      I'm not sure what Brooks contends as I haven't read his bit, but the GOP has been headed for some kind of split since Newt was speaker.

      The establishment Rs can't/won't cut loose the loonies, since among their base, the loonies are the part that's growing - and what sets the table at the primaries.  So the disaffected ones either join the Dems, or the Paulistas, or find their own way with a new party.

      My only questions are which batch will hold onto the GOP moniker, and what the break-away pack will call themselves?

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