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  •  So you think the benefits of marriage equality (0+ / 0-)

    are strictly emotional?  I beg to differ.  There are many important legal and financial rights incurred, for the adults AND for their children.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 12:02:59 PM PST

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    •  That is not what I said (1+ / 0-)
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      I am saying that if marriage is a right for some people, it should be a right for all and that right should be bestowed whether one believes marriage has tangible benefits or not. Obviously, the fact that the law distinguishes between what it allows for married couples versus unmarried couples might make some people want to get married, but even if the law made no such distinction (say, by creating civil union statutes for homosexuals that offered every benefit excel the word "marriage") I would consider that an unfair deprivation of some people's rights.

      Marriage has legal advantages and legal disadvantages. For example, my sister's husband bounced a lot of checks on their account without her knowledge, and she was obligated to pay them even after she divorced him. and my ongoing marriage to a husband I have not lived with for 11 years gives me access to healthcare, etc., but makes it more difficult for my kids to get financial aid for college even though he doesn't give us a huge share of his income (and I don't ask for it because I do ok without it).

      But if someone wants the advantages and disadvantages, real or perceived, of marriage, they should have that right. I seriously don't get why you want some sort of debate with me on it. I don't have to agree with you on the reasons why marriage equality is essential as long as we both agree that it is essential.

      We Won't Let Republicans Replace Medicare with GOP Vouchercare!

      by CatM on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 12:19:06 PM PST

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      •  Debating is part of what we do here (0+ / 0-)

        and I simply disagree with your contention that the practical advantages of marriage to families is so mixed as to be irrelevant.  On the contrary, I think there is evidence that the advantages of legally recognized status strongly outnumber the disadvantages

        However I'm glad we agree on the desired political endpoint.  Thanks for the civil replies, and go in peace!  

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 12:27:07 PM PST

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        •  *sigh* (0+ / 0-)

          I think I am just not communicating what I mean. I am saying, relevant or not, these benefits have no bearing on whether someone should have the right to marry. Just like you should have the right to vote even if you are going to vote for Mickey Mouse, where write in candidates are allowed.

          You were rather vague in your post about marriage benefitting children, and I simply disagree that something inherent in marriage benefits children. If that were the case, all children would benefit from having married parents and clearly some do not.  I am sure there are legal benefits, although increasingly children are being afforded those same benefits when their parents are not married.

          But to me, that is irrelevant as to the point of whether the law should let same sex couples get married. I am sure it is relevant to those individuals and is probably necessary to make a legal argument that frankly should not have to even be made because clearly just saying we deserve equal rights isn't going to do it right now.

          We Won't Let Republicans Replace Medicare with GOP Vouchercare!

          by CatM on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 12:38:45 PM PST

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