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  •  We've tried the social experiment (15+ / 0-)

    of unfettered gun ownership, and this (all of this) is what it has gotten us.

    Isn't one of the definitions of insanity trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results?

    Maybe we should try something different.

    I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. -- Thomas Jefferson

    by nilajean on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 10:16:59 AM PST

    •  Lots of other social experiments were tried (3+ / 2-)
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      From community policing and gang summits, to public housing and neighborhood redevelopment, to welfare-to-work and job training and school reform.

      "Unfettered gun ownership" is not one of them.  Not in Chicago.  Not anywhere.  We've spent almost half a century depriving society's most vulnerable of the means to defend themselves, leaving them at the mercy of ever more incapable local police and the depravity of thugs and madmen.

    •  We tried another experiment, too (1+ / 0-)
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      We closed down our mental health inpatient hospitals and turned the patients out on the streets.

      We strengthened civil rights so strenuously that the mother of a severely disturbed boy was still struggling to get him committed when he shot up a school before she could manage the job.

      We separated mental health care from medical care so that many people don't have access to mental health care services, even if they have health care.    

      The average wait time, even for a patient with insurance, to get an appointment with a counselor through some hospital systems is three to six months.

      •  My son has Asperger's too (0+ / 0-)

        Which is what has been reported to be his "mental illness".

        Asperger's is not something that develops late in life.  It's a developmental defect, which means it's genetic and shows up early in life.  Many school districts have excellent intervention programs.  With a diagnosis of Asperger's, she would have been entitled to this in schools.

        It's really unusual for Aspies to become violent -- in fact I had never heard of it before and at first did not believe it.  I suspect he had some undiagnosed co-morbidities; not at all unusual but again, it's really unusual for Aspies to be violent.

        I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. -- Thomas Jefferson

        by nilajean on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 01:52:55 PM PST

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        •  Not asperger's (0+ / 0-)

          We know that his mother was trying to commit him.  We do not know the details of his mental illness.  

          The prosecutor in the case, Danbury State's Attorney Stephen Sedensky III, said he cannot release information about Adam Lanza's mental health
          Clearly, the information about asperger's has already been released, and yet, as of Jan 30, the prosecutor was talking about information related to his mental health, that has not been released.

          I would think it would be obvious that asperger's alone does not cause this type of behavior.  If not, it should be.      Otherwise, we'd see a lot more kids with asperger's implicated in shootings, and that's just not the case.  The asperger's is coincidental to whatever caused this.   However, it is possible that the stress of struggling with an illness like asperger's could exacerbate a separate, more serious mental illness.  

          There's not enough information to know why he couldn't function in public school, and why his mother tried to commit him.  It paints a picture of a situation that was deteriorating.   And, it seems obvious to me that it all has something to do with whatever the prosecutor can't tell us about, yet.

          To be honest, I don't really even think of asperger's as a mental illness, although that might be technically incorrect.  I think of mental illness as being more related to mood disorders.   I think of asperger's as being more of a neurological disorder.

          Adam Lanza was identified by his mother as needing to be committed.  

          James Holmes, the Batman Shooter, was identified by his psychiatrist and reported to campus police as potentially a threat to others.

          These shooters were serious mentally ill, and the people around them knew it, and were scrambling to do something before the shooting ever happened.  

          We need to look at our processes for responding to reports of persons who are potentially violent or otherwise "at risk".  It may mean some compromise on civil liberties, in the same way that we have free speech but can't joke about bombs in airports.  When a person is reported as potentially dangerous, it's becoming obvious that we don't have the time to just sit around and discuss that in committee.

          And, this is total speculation, but I'm going to say it anyway.  There are indications that his mother was a survivalist, which is indicative of paranoia.  Mood disorders are often heritable.  Which suggests to me two things -- he may have inherited a mood disorder through his mother's line, and being raised by a paranoid parent might have had some effect on his condition.  

          I'd be interested to know the medical history on his mother's side, to see if there are other indications of mental illness.

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